Fred Thompson, President?

[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by JMI

We did not need to go into Iraq. We WANTED to. That was a piss poor decision that was obviously not well thought out.

Leadership means you do not act on impulse. You use patience, think through all potential actions, and gather support and intelligence.

It is quite sad that not even on this board can a discussion take place about our shortcomings in leadership.

After some research, I have to agree with JMI on some points.

So, here it is:
/rant on
THE PRESIDENT IS AN IDIOT.
HIS LEADERSHIP IS PATHETIC.
THERE WERE NO WMD'S, THE PRESIDENT DECEIVED THE PUBLIC.
THE PRESIDENT IS A WALKING EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE WITH NO IMPULSE CONTROL.
IMPEACHMENT WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE JUSTIFIED.
/rant off

Here is evidence to support my criticism of the President:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2iOVqYBqME

[kgoerz]

Originally Posted by JMI
We did not need to go into Iraq. We WANTED to. That was a piss poor decision that was obviously not well thought out.

Leadership means you do not act on impulse. You use patience, think through all potential actions, and gather support and intelligence.

It is quite sad that not even on this board can a discussion take place about our shortcomings in leadership.

We wanted to? Then when things get ruff we all of sudden decided we didn't want to? You sound just like all the politicians who voted against the War after they voted for the War.
Call it what you want. At least we have an Administration willing to take action. If the Iraq War showed the Enemy anything. It showed we have the Guts to meet them head on instead of just throwing a few Cruise Missiles in their direction.
The overwhelming number of Enemy dead in Iraq came there from other countries. Whats your plan on how to kill them? Getting them to show up at the Woodstock of the Jihad so they can die seems to be working so far. The age and experience of the average Insurgent seems to be decreasing.
How many terrorist attacks against US Citizens here and abroad have taken place since 911. How many country's think twice before letting Terrorist operate freely inside their Borders?
A LOT LESS THEN BEFORE!

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

After some research, I have to agree with JMI on some points.

So, here it is:
/rant on
THE PRESIDENT IS AN IDIOT.
HIS LEADERSHIP IS PATHETIC.
THERE WERE NO WMD'S, THE PRESIDENT DECEIVED THE PUBLIC.
THE PRESIDENT IS A WALKING EXAMPLE OF SOMEONE WITH NO IMPULSE CONTROL.
IMPEACHMENT WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE JUSTIFIED.
/rant off

Here is evidence to support my criticism of the President:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2iOVqYBqME

Glad that I watched the video before commenting.

TR

[zeke]

I've been wanting to ask this of you guys for awhile.

Don't you think we would have had all the Islamic fundamentalists drawn to Afghanistan once we ousted the Taliban there? Much the same as when the Soviets occupied that country? I am not military and don't claim to be, but would like your opinions as I agree that something needed done after 9/11. Everything I've looked at both before the Iraq war and since then has only shown one piece of possible evidence linking Iraq to Al-queda (medical aid for a terrorist from AQ).

I just think that anyone with a beef with the US would have readily went to Afghanistan as they would to Iraq. I think we had every right to go to Afghanistan to track down our attackers, but now we've seen the highest opium production on record and the Taliban is making somewhat of a comeback. We had world support with Afghanistan but pretty much stirred up a hornets nest with Iraq. Not trying to argue Iraq too much, just think Afghanistan would have accomplished similar things.

I just feel we could have done everything in Afghanistan that supporters of the Iraq war use to justify that war (except oust Saddam).

On a side note, with the Axis of Evil speech, we seemed a bit hypocritical since we know North Korea has nukes but we aren't about to attack them directly with them being so close to Russia and China.

[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by zeke

Don't you think we would have

Not trying to argue Iraq too much, just think Afghanistan would have

I just feel we could have

we seemed a bit hypocritical

I don't have a time machine, I doubt the government has one in hiding somewhere.

Hindsight is 20/20.

What would you suggest we do now.

[Penn]

In recently released press, the chief interrogator of Saddam Hussein stated the Hussein “acted” as if possessed WMD’s for two reason’s; The first, To dissuade Iran from invading , and two, to keep the image of being strong. When view in that light, I have to give the current administration a plausible pass.
I also believe, that regardless of the deception, it was necessary to place our forces in Iraq to counterbalance Russia in its continuing drive to assert itself as a rejuvenated world player. Russia is now stronger that it has ever been. In December they turned the gas off to the EU for 18 hrs and they went crazy. They delivered missile to Iran, we could do nothing, and they have just completed a deal to build a pipeline across Serbia countering the EU southern route. Russia will control the energy to the EU. Russia has won this round and Putin deserves the title of Man of the year.
Iraq was not about WMD in hindsight, it was, and is about the future of oil and access to it. Bush was right to go in.

[jwt5]

Originally Posted by Penn

In recently released press, the chief interrogator of Saddam Hussein stated the Hussein “acted” as if possessed WMD’s for two reason’s; The first, To dissuade Iran from invading , and two, to keep the image of being strong. When view in that light, I have to give the current administration a plausible pass.
I also believe, that regardless of the deception, it was necessary to place our forces in Iraq to counterbalance Russia in its continuing drive to assert itself as a rejuvenated world player. Russia is now stronger that it has ever been. In December they turned the gas off to the EU for 18 hrs and they went crazy. They delivered missile to Iran, we could do nothing, and they have just completed a deal to build a pipeline across Serbia countering the EU southern route. Russia will control the energy to the EU. Russia has won this round and Putin deserves the title of Man of the year.
Iraq was not about WMD in hindsight, it was, and is about the future of oil and access to it. Bush was right to go in.

They also provided new anti-tank guided rockets to Iraqi forces during the invasion...

[Bracholi]

Originally Posted by Retired W4

Thanks Broadsword. Great recap. Unfortunately, most of the people in this country are focused on something else, like the latest sit-com, reality TV show, or the mall. Many who do talk politics regurgitate the crap spewing forward from the left wing press.

Now it's off to the gun show to do some serious trading. I'll be the one behind the table wearing a red "Support the Troops" sweatshirt.

Superbowl...

If they had just run a 3 minute commercial hosted by Carman Electra in skimpy clothing saying "We were justified in going to Iraq, We're winning the war on terrorism, Clinton is fascist" as fast as she could the whole country would be reciting a whole other story now. (As opposed to those of us who actually read instead of being glued to our tv sets)