02-26-2006, 11:51
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Originally Posted by Tuukka
So, steel and wood it is...
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What, no Trapdoor Springfield, Krag-Jorgensen, or 1903 Springfield?
Nice collection. Always wanted a Thompson.
TR
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02-26-2006, 13:35
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Captain Obvious
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Originally Posted by 504PIR
I think the last time I shot my Gararnd was at McKellers lodge. They are great rifles. Wish I could have been there.
Quick question for the QP's out there: are there any military forces still using the Garand?
As many M1's been passed out around the world, surely there are few being used by somebody. If not military perhaps police or insurgent?
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Here's a link that mentions the Garand in a list of small arms that are associated with insurgents (according to the organization in question): http://www.unodc.org/unodc/terrorism...ventional.html
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02-26-2006, 14:05
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What a bunch of idiots.
An official UN document that lists "the most common weapon manufacturers are:...Garand"
AFAIK there has never been a weapons manufacturer named "Garand".
John Garand was a designer, like Browning, Stoner, and Kalashnikov.
The M-1 Garand rifle was manufactured by the US Arsenals like Springfield and a number of commercial gunmakers like Winchester and H&R, as well as non-firarms manufacturers like International Harvester.
Typical bureaucrats who are totally ignorant of what they are talking about.
TR
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02-26-2006, 15:33
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P17
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Originally Posted by Tuukka
So, steel and wood it is...
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Nobody commented on your P17, I assume it's a P17. I have a P14.
Nice collection.
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02-26-2006, 15:46
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Am I getting old or what?
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
What a bunch of idiots......Typical bureaucrats who are totally ignorant of what they are talking about.
TR
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I read that report and it reads like it was put together by a middle schooler.
My tenth graders put together a better report on bugs Friday Night for the Science Olympiad on Saturday. Between the two of them they pulled in one first and five second place medals (Individual & Team). Their school, Reid Ross, came in third and advances to the state finals.
Maybe they could give the UN a few lessons.
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02-26-2006, 16:48
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Guerrilla
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They are fully working. Unfortunately not mine but I do have access to a good variety of them.
Although being "obsolete", the classic weapons are a joy to shoot.
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02-26-2006, 17:15
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My Dad, USN '37 -57, thought the Thompson with a pan was the cats meoow. If I remember the story right, they sailed (China Fleet) in to a Japanese convoy. When the strights narrow they opend fired. The tin cans were close enough that the XO staffed the transports decks with a Thompson. The ship was the USS Alden. If the XO was later to be Cmdr Evans, he went down off the battle of the Phillipeans, received the MOH for that action. He was pretty proud of the 03 too. Showed me how to shoot one rapid fire.
BTW nice collections of Firearms. I too would like a Thompson but don't see the laws changing. A few years ago I built a semi auto 1919 Browning.
It would not upload the picture,
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02-26-2006, 22:25
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Area Commander
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OK, I hope this uploads,
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02-27-2006, 07:31
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M1919A6
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OK, I hope this uploads,
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We carried the M1919 (.30-06) in Phase I, two per team in 1974. Easy to maintain and fires under any condition.
Is that the commercial 7.62 NATO single shot version?
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02-27-2006, 09:44
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Originally Posted by Pete
We carried the M1919 (.30-06) in Phase I, two per team in 1974. Easy to maintain and fires under any condition.
Is that the commercial 7.62 NATO single shot version?
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Pete, This was a full auto less rt side plate when I bought it. I converted it to semi auto and it is 7.62. I could have built it as a 30-06 but kept to the cheaper round. They were in RVN early. A partner of mine, who was second tour, stated that charlie listened to them, more than the did the M60. Pretty simple, but not as simple as the MG 42.
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03-27-2006, 20:29
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Adoption came through
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
What, no Trapdoor Springfield, Krag-Jorgensen, or 1903 Springfield?
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The adoption paperwork was completed early last week and I went up to FedEx to pick up my "new" baby. It's a high number Springfield M1903 from the DCMP.
Pretty thing. Looks great. I'll spend Sat. cleaning it up and getting it ready for the range. Might have to have another .30-06 day before .303 day.
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03-27-2006, 21:50
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Originally Posted by Pete
The adoption paperwork was completed early last week and I went up to FedEx to pick up my "new" baby. It's a high number Springfield M1903 from the DCMP. Pretty thing. Looks great. I'll spend Sat. cleaning it up and getting it ready for the range. Might have to have another .30-06 day before .303 day. Pete
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Pete:
0-3 or 03 A-3? Have a original 03 with a C Stock. Shoot it periodically at 500 yards. Beautifull rifle. Can't figure out who thought a ladder sight placed five inches from the eye would bring good results though. I think the A-3 model uses some common sense in terms of a rear sight.
Those 0-3s shoot real well with a moderate load using a decent bullet. I have some of the DCM M-2 Ball (LC-69) and pull-push it with some DCM 173 grain FMJs I bought some years ago when the DCM was selling them. Poor man's M-72 Match is what you get. Shoots great. Recoil is there with the 0-3 but it really performs in terms of a service grade rifle.
Stripper clips can be found if you desire to do some controlled pairs with the rifle. Controlled pairs with stripper clip loading is always fun. Taking a knee every five shots isn't fun. I would work the bolt and pull the trigger with my middle finger during such antics. Works great. Be amazed at how fast one can function a bolt on a bolt action rifle.
All in good fun. Wish you were around here as we would do some shooting with those antiques.
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03-27-2006, 22:19
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A couple years back I was digging through my dad's gun closet when I came up an unmarked plain jane grey box (dad's gun closet used to be grandpa's gun closet). I opened the box and there sat 3 rifles. 1 was an M1903 with a custom stock and a very old Leopold attached...basically an M1903 converted into a Deer rifle. Next in the box were 2 plain jane M1903's. In also in the box were a few bandolers of ammo in stripper clips.
My father and I pulled the 2 plain jane 1903's out to have a look see, we looked down the barrel and saw a redish/orange color in the barrel, my heart sank thinking it was rust. So we threw a patch down the barrel to make sure.... it wasn't rust....it was cosmoline! Firt thing to pop into my head was holy crap! dad verbalized my thought. We had uncovered 2 brand new in the box M1903's with cosmoline still in the barrel.
We cleaned one and took it to the range the next day. The sights would only click up to 800 meters but with a little hold over we were ringing the 1000 meter bell. Straight out of the box we didn't even need to zero it. We took it home, cleaned it, and put it back in the box with its twin...were they sit today. Its brother still has cosmoline in the barrel.
Next time I'm home I'll snap some photos.
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03-27-2006, 22:39
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Lordy be! I'm jealous. The CMP really is a deal but finding them in the closet has to beat everything. When I first read Pete's latest post I went to the CMP site to check price and availability and about croaked. I've been procrastinating for years wanting to get some through the program. I've had two Garands that I got years ago (before I even knew about the CMP sales program). Too many other projects with a higher priority. But I do get to go play with the ones I've got this weekend (if all goes well). Peregrino
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03-27-2006, 23:46
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Guerrilla
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The CMP has some really nice Garands. I have a Springer M1D, still searching for a good M84 to mount on it, every sample I've seen at gun shows is absolutely battered.
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