03-09-2004, 11:05
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Someone please explain to me why she is being targeted.
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COME ON!
1. Woman
2. White
3. Rich
4. Crappy bathmats
5. Famous
6. Worked for it
7. Famous
8. Rich
9. Blonde
10. Not unattractive
Watch what happens to the US Attorney that won the case in a year.
I wonder if Martha was off-shoring?
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03-09-2004, 11:05
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Originally posted by Surgicalcric
Sounds like grounds for an appeal to me, but what do I know.
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One of the jurors said he voted to convict Stewart because she was a stockbroker and should have known she was doing something illegal. She was not convicted of a securities law violation, so this "she was a stockbroker" is irrelevant. But if it means the jurors conflated the securities laws issues with the 1001 violations, there may be reversible error.
This is not my area of law, so I don't know how this would actually play out. RL is the litigator. Would erroneous application of the law by a juror be reversible error, or would there have to be some flaw found in the jury instructions, so it was the court's error?
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03-09-2004, 11:08
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One of the jurors said he voted to convict Stewart because she was a stockbroker and should have known she was doing something illegal. She was not convicted of a securities law violation, so this "she was a stockbroker" is irrelevant. But if it means the jurors conflated the securities laws issues with the 1001 violations, there may be reversible error.
This is not my area of law, so I don't know how this would actually play out. RL is the litigator. Would erroneous application of the law by a juror be reversible error, or would there have to be some flaw found in the jury instructions, so it was the court's error?
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Right. She's also not a stockbroker. That juror is a dumbass.
Free Martha NOW! Attica! Attica!
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03-09-2004, 11:09
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I wonder if Martha was off-shoring?
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03-09-2004, 11:09
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Where is CSB when we need him? If I am not mistaken he is a CDA.
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03-09-2004, 11:10
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Right. She's also not a stockbroker. That juror is a dumbass.
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Yet another argument for professional juries.
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03-09-2004, 11:12
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Won't work. They would either have to be appointed or elected and that means politics. You'd have a trial by twelve judges.
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03-09-2004, 11:20
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I am not sure which is worse 12 judges, or 12 bubbas.
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03-09-2004, 11:29
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Forbes refers to it as a " conspiracy of dunces "
Maybe that's why the FEDS went after her - she was too stupid to even dodge them
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03-09-2004, 11:36
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You're on. :lifte
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I'll take it Joe. She has to go at least a little - federal sentencing guidelines. I saw somewhere where 10 months is the absolute minimum she can do.
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I'm going have to learn how to accept paypal.
Come on sweet innocent Martha 50ish blonde female with no prior record. She is just a poor innocent victim of her attorney and her broker.
Shaaa right whatever. I still don't think she'll do any jail or prison time.
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03-09-2004, 12:23
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10. Not unattractive
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You think she'll send you some SPAM recipes from the slam if you ask nicely?
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03-09-2004, 12:25
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Would erroneous application of the law by a juror be reversible error, or would there have to be some flaw found in the jury instructions, so it was the court's error?
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Jurors do not apply the law, they find facts. Erroneous jury instructions can form the basis of a successful appeal if you can show they affected the outcome.
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03-09-2004, 12:27
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Yet another argument for professional juries.
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Jury reform is high on my agenda. The people you'd want on a jury tend to be people who get out of jury duty because they have better things to do. Big problem.
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03-09-2004, 12:30
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Jury reform is high on my agenda. The people you'd want on a jury tend to be people who get out of jury duty because they have better things to do. Big problem.
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I think jury nullification should be briefed as an option.
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03-09-2004, 13:14
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This is one of those situations...
"Does the means, justify the ends"!
In this case. I think that a hefty fine, would justify the ends. I think the public would gain more with a $100-200 million fine...then the collapse of a company which employs thousands of people, who had nothing to do with her lying.
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