10-07-2005, 20:32
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OG 107s - and a khaki one for the desert. I'm with TR.
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He knows only The Cause.
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10-07-2005, 21:45
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Quiet Professional
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I love OG-107's.
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10-07-2005, 22:01
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Join Date: Jan 2004
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No matter what the fabric, camo, ..... After about a half hour or less, what you are wearing is going to look JUST LIKE where you are at !!!!
Our "spray painted" jungles only got us off of the LZs. After that they were sweat soaked and the camo was lost.
WTFO !!
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10-08-2005, 16:53
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Guerrilla Chief
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Uniforms
Remember the OG507 uniforms? The utilities? We got them when I first enlisted in the Air Force.
I think a complete set would set you back about $14. That's shirt and pants. Maybe another $10 to get your patches sewn on. $25 and you were good to go.
Now, the AF jumped on the same bandwagon as the USMC, etc, and we need our own set of BDUs.
Did you see that new blue tiger stripe they were trying to pawn off on us??? Gross! The pattern (cut and style) was OK, not too much of a change, but that camo had to go.
Well, we went to something similiar in color to the ACU, but will a vague tiger stripe pattern.
You know, I always thought we wanted to have the same uniform (i.e BDUs) to help with supply??
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10-09-2005, 09:57
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Lurk mode off
Just got my ACU's last week. Haven't even worn them yet so I can't give anyone my .02 cents either way. What I do know is that I just put about $500 of BDU's and sewing costs into a box in the garage! WTF. I've only been in the Army 4 yrs. I got issued 2 pairs of winter and 2 pairs of summers at basic and that was suppose to last me the whole Q course and beyond? So, I got stuck with the bill. "You better have starches in garrison!" (cha ching) ... 'Ok now bring your field uniform" (cha ching) .... "What the hell! Where are your mods!" (cha ching) Man, for a while there I was YMC's customer of the year.
So, now everyone can walk around post with 'cool guy mods' on and not get yelled at by some SGM (the minimall is the best for this) Of course, that was one of those "know your operational environment" things. And also one of those 'big boy rules' things that a few people choose to ignore to their chagrin. (anyway, I digress)
I guess the most important point is do these uniforms work. My initial impression is a big, no. In the middile of the desert is this uniform going to decrease my visibility to the enemy? NATICK seems to think so...I mean really....it works in ALL environments. (now stop thinking and put the damn uniform on)
Maybe its just me but the desert is a brownish color, and the desert AO is where we seem to be conducting the majority of our operations.... then by all means a greenish color uniform is what we need, right?
My rant is over. I guess time will tell. 
Back to lurking.
Phil
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10-09-2005, 10:57
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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Bear in mind that they also created the ACU design in the belief that future battles will mostly be fought in urban areas. But like I said, how about 1 uniform for forest, 1 for desert, 1 for arctic, and 1 for urban. Like I said, I'm a firm believer in specialized equipment. What's the mission.....what's the best equipment for the mission.....move out.
S
Oh yeah, and what are uniforms going to run us if they do get that Future Force Warrior system worked out in 5 years, like they are promising? (shudder)
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10-09-2005, 11:24
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Slight hijack based on stak's last comment:
One thing (among a billion others) that I don't understand about FCS is why they are so determined to have everything digitalized.
Despite the obvious encryption breaking possibility that could compromise everything sent and received, the system is said to be built sort of like a Peer to Peer network. Everyone in the FCS system would be a node which could relay the data until it reaches the appropriate destination or a stronger radio. Alas, at any time there are many ways the enemy can go about figuring out your positions, encrypted transmissions or not. Or use them as triggers.
Just doesn't appear to make sense...
Hijack over.
Martin
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10-10-2005, 07:28
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Guerrilla
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Exactly Right
If it involves computers, I guarentee someone can find a way to hack it. Maybe they could arrange a few blue-on-blues, or just keep track of all our locations and comms. Either way.
Sorry, I kinda encouraged some off-topic stuff.
S
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"You are undoubtedly familiar with men who are quiet and strong and seem to be doing nothing. They do not appear to be tense and do not appear to be in disarray. They simply appear. This is exactly the appearance for which they strive. When it is necessary to attack, they do so with complete resolve, sure of themselves, neither overbearing in attitude nor with false humility. They attack with one purpose and one purpose only, to destroy the enemy." --- Miyamoto Musashi
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10-10-2005, 08:42
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Most guys that wore their newly issued ACU's on our last handful of jumps blew out the bottoms of their cargo pockets. In each case those guys had the usual in the pockets... flight gloves, balaclava, and/or neck gaitor. Now we all know some guys just have uniforms fall apart on them somehow. I went all of Ranger school and the Q-Course w/o uniform damage... maybe I had the easy lane.
I like ACU's since they are pretty close to my modified BDU's/DCU's 10th Gp has made for us. They are comfortable, but the pockets on the top are too small on the chest and sleeves though. But for a garrison uniform they're ok. Plus they won't cost me $30 to have all my crap sewn on them... cuz yes I have all my stuff sewn on garrison uniforms. And there IS a difference between garrison and actual combat uniforms.
On hits I wear extra modified DCU's that have slanted pockets on the sleeves with alot of velcro for stuff (FFI, ID placards, & flags), a modified collar, are cut-off 6 inches on the waist, have reinforced pad pockets, and are spray painted heavily to actually be used as camouflage.
The ACU's IMHO aren't that bad, heck the instructions tell you to NOT iron and press them. They have functional pen pockets. Yeah that may be gay, but how many CSM's and 1SG's lurk in the shadows to conduct spot checks on that unsuspecting Joe at the PX who doesn't have a pen and paper on his person. It has built in FFI, and the velcro which lends oneself with being able to remove unit insignia prior to a hit (Yeah, I doubt the Army will use it for that, but...). This last trip to Iraq I actually saw Big-Brother-Army units (4ID, 3 ACR, 1 Cav, 2 ID) modifying their DCU's with pockets on the sleeves and velcro unit patches for these very reasons. I think it’s a good step in the right direction for the mainstream Army as far as a functional uniform is concerned. Now if they would have only made a desert pattern they would be taking yet another step in the right direction.
My 2¢.
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10-13-2005, 18:27
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I have read that ACU's were to be issued in BCT starting early this month. Does anyone know if that's true? I'm going to OSUT at the end of the month and though I realize it doesn't really matter, I am rather curious to know if I will be wearing the ACU's or BDU's. Sadly I haven't been able to find a definite answer online.
Yosh
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10-13-2005, 18:53
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Originally Posted by Yoshi
I have read that ACU's were to be issued in BCT starting early this month. Does anyone know if that's true? I'm going to OSUT at the end of the month and though I realize it doesn't really matter, I am rather curious to know if I will be wearing the ACU's or BDU's. Sadly I haven't been able to find a definite answer online.
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The word at SOPC was they will begin seeing 18X's in ACU's starting in March...
Crip
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10-13-2005, 19:19
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The word at SOPC was they will begin seeing 18X's in ACU's starting in March...
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Good, they will be much easier to find.
Anyone see the lead story in the Army Times this week?
TR
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10-13-2005, 22:37
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Originally Posted by stakk4
My problem with the ACU's is they are designed to be usable on any terrain, and not specialized to any type of environment. This way, Soldiers are not supposed to need to draw different uniforms for desert or forest environments, its a universal pattern.
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NATICK THINK:
"LET's ADD WHITE TO THE ACU PATTERN SO WE CAN USE THEM IN AN ARCTIC ENVIRONMENT AS WELL.
THEN WE'LL NEVER NEED ANOTHER UNIFORM..."
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Originally Posted by stakk4
I personally would rather have DCU's if I was going to the sandbox, and BDU's if I was going to the forest. I'm a firm believer that the military's specialized equipment makes a big contribution to success, not just in weapons and equipment, but in uniforms.
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Agree. I belive the Army was attempting to adopt the modified DCUs that you've seen many of the SF Troops wearing...unfortunately, someone couldn't take a good idea alone and had to mess with it...and try to make it universal...
JM
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10-19-2005, 12:58
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It seems like they almost glow in the dark, especially if the moon is out. It appears that in attempting to come up with a universal camouflage, the Army has come up with something that works almost nowhere. If you are among sage brush in NM, you're OK, but that's about it.
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10-19-2005, 18:14
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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc
OG 107s - and a khaki one for the desert. I'm with TR.
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I agree 100% The sleeve pockets would be a good add on too. I always liked there look when worn with a bare pistol belt in garrison duties.
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