What a War Hero!!!!! - Page 2

jasonglh · 09-12-2005, 19:12

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Sams underwent an extensive background check before he could be hired by the Sheriff's Department, Satterfield said.

Apparently. I hope once he is proven to be full of it his testimony in criminal cases is not somehow thrown out. I would hate to think criminals might go free thanks to his delusions of grandeur.

rubberneck · 09-12-2005, 20:15

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Originally Posted by Spartan359

I don't. As it say's, you don't lie selectively.

Notice I said almost. I don't feel sorry for the guy. He made his bed now he has to lie in it.

CoLawman · 09-12-2005, 20:35

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Originally Posted by jasonglh

Apparently. I hope once he is proven to be full of it his testimony in criminal cases is not somehow thrown out. I would hate to think criminals might go free thanks to his delusions of grandeur.

From what I read in the article, any court appearrances would have been a result of his fantasy roles in law enforcement. So I don't believe there are too many, if any, bad guys sitting in jail as a result of his work.

JJ_BPK · 03-02-2009, 16:11

There is an LEO that just completed a course Fred is teaching,,

He still claims he's Special Forces & Ranger qualified....

www socnet com /showthread.php?t=83406

http://www.canyoncollege.edu/cc/crim...abus/cj486.htm

a little retro history.

http://search.hendersonvillenews.com...73306721595422

**Team Sergeant** · 03-02-2009, 17:38

Now I wonder if anyone has sent Canyon College the link to the henderson ville news article concerning Fred....

I think it's time we made SF Fred famous, again. If you send them an email, make sure you include the local Carmichael CA news, they may want to folow up on Fred's activities.

http://carmichaeltimes.com/

TS

Canyon College
4017 Garfield Ave
Carmichael CA 95608-6616

or
info@canyoncollege.edu

AngelsSix · 03-02-2009, 18:10

A few things jumped out at me when I looked at his resume.

Here is one:

1999 Law Enforcement Training Sheriff’s Standards: BLET
# Isothermal College – 720 Hours

BLET was only up to 624 hours when I took it in 2006. It had gone up several hours from the course that I completed in 2004. There was no way he went through a 720 hour course. At least not the NC standards.

He has a lot of courses. Alot. Some of them appear redundant. For a detective, he sure had a lot of free time for school/training. Must not have had much of a caseload. Interesting.

I also notice that he went to St. LEO to get his degrees. All online. Not a minute in the classroom. Interesting

A quick search for the lab listed below reveals an interesting lawsuit. Apparently the company was doing some illegal activity.
http://efoia.bis.doc.gov/exportcontr...tions/e915.pdf

1997 Forensic Lighting: Alternative Light Sources, Electronic Surveillance
# Sirchie Laboratories

There is a huge gap in this guy's resume from '75-97.

There is no listing for a Roses Institute that comes up after a brief search, never heard of them myself.

So let me get this straight, the dude was in the FBI in 67-68, then he was in Miami Dade, then he was an INSTRUCTOR for the MP's? After that it gets weird, I can't even wrap my head around this idiot right now, I haven't had enough to drink...........Freaking LOSER.

There are huge gaps in his resume as well, he was probably in jail. Where he should be now for fraud.

Here is some more contact info:

In case of an extreme emergency you can contact me at 1-828-625-9744

Captain Sams has attended such prestigious schools as:

* F.B.I. Command College
* The U.S. Department of Justice Drug Enforcement Academy
* Armed Forces Institute of Pathology Homicide Investigation School
* University of Maryland Child Abuse School
* The FBI Forensic – Fingerprint School
* The Miami Police Academy
* The U.S. Army’s Special Forces School and Army Ranger School (REALLY??)
* Wake Forest University School of Medicine - Death Investigation School
* North Carolina Justice Academy – Advanced Death Investigation School
* And has attended literally dozens of other specialized schools

This guy is starting to sound like a CLASS A BS artist

Richard · 03-02-2009, 18:47

FYI - I sent the following to Michael Storrs, the President of Canyon College in Carmichael--which is about 20 minutes away from where I grew up and where I am now.

Richard's $.02

Mr Storrs,

I noticed you have a Fred Sams on your faculty and, when reading his syllabus, noticed that he is still falsely claiming the following:

Captain Sams has attended such prestigious schools as: The U.S. Army’s Special Forces School and Army Ranger School

The syllabus also stated that: Academic honesty is highly valued at Canyon College.

As President of Canyon College, you might find the following of interest to you and your school's reputation in regards to Mr Sams and the issue of honesty:

War Story?
Harmony Johnson
Hendersonville Times-News, 30 APR 2005

Sams, who is 56 and planning to retire as chief of detectives of the Polk County Sheriff's Department on May 15, says he executed covert missions in Vietnam for the Special Forces while serving in the Army in 1973.

More than 30 Vietnam veterans say that is not true. They say that Sams never was in Vietnam or a member of the Special Forces and they can prove it.

http://search.hendersonvillenews.com...73306721595422

XXXXX
MAJ (Retired) US Army Special Forces
C: (XXX) XXX-XXXX

Richard · 03-02-2009, 20:47

Welllllll...it seems as if Fred and Canyon College are mail order made for each other.

Time to send a note to the local paper.

Richard's $.02

Canyon College Dubbed Online Diploma Mill
August 21, 2008
Sylvia Cochran

Canyon College Offers Education; Ashwood University Just Sells Paper
Visit The Canyon College website at Canyoncollege.edu, and you see a rather austere presence for an online college that prides itself on the more than 60 degree programs and 100s of online courses it provides to interested parties. The sales hooks are the lures of a prestigious online degree and the ability to earn it without having to attend classes at a brick and mortar school. The listing of online degrees is impressive: there are journalism, forensic psychology, accounting, nursing, advertising, computer science, and a lot more!

Canyon College operates out of Carmichael, California, and charges $435 per course for a bachelor's degree, $500 per course for a master's degree, and $550 per course for a doctorate. Certificate programs have varying tuition costs per course, and prospective students are urged to review the admission information. The faculty listing reads like a who's who of the titled and degreed, and with a liberal credit transfer program, Canyon College sounds like a good deal.

There is but one fly in the ointment: Canyon College is accredited by the Association for Innovation in Distance Education (AIDE) and the American Naturopathic Medical Accreditation Board (ANMAB), but the Carmichael Canyon College is not accredited by the U.S. Department of Education's Office of Postsecondary Education. As a matter of fact, according to Breyer State, AIDE is not actually an accrediting body that is recognized or approved by the U.S. Department of Education.

This of course echoes the findings of Fox News' story regarding the experience Jane Killen had when she sought to further her career with a master's degree in nursing she had obtained from Canyon College. This particular college was said to be based in Idaho - 111 Poplar Street in Caldwell, ID 83605 - but when following the link for the school, it appears to be the same as the one currently listed as being found at 4017 Garfield Ave, Carmichael, CA 95608.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ma.html?cat=15

JJ_BPK · 03-03-2009, 08:30

[QUOTE=Richard;252740]Welllllll...it seems as if Fred and Canyon College are mail order made for each other.

Time to send a note to the local paper.

Richard's $.02

I ask SFA if they wanted to contribute to Fred's enlightenment..

Richard · 03-03-2009, 09:17

I sent the info on Sams and Canyon College to the Sacramento Bee to investigate with the following intro. I'll let you know how they respond.

In times of economic distress when people are seeking to enhance their current job skills or acquire others, schools like Canyon College who rip-off unsuspecting students and who use questionable instructors like phoney vet Fred Sams should be exposed for what they are - frauds.

FWIW - the POW/MIA Network is following up on Gene DeFord. Go to the link and scroll down to DeFord. He's in good company.

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies1057.htm

Richard's $.02

AngelsSix · 03-03-2009, 19:03

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Originally Posted by Richard

I sent the info on Sams and Canyon College to the Sacramento Bee to investigate with the following intro. I'll let you know how they respond.

In times of economic distress when people are seeking to enhance their current job skills or acquire others, schools like Canyon College who rip-off unsuspecting students and who use questionable instructors like phoney vet Fred Sams should be exposed for what they are - frauds.

FWIW - the POW/MIA Network is following up on Gene DeFord. Go to the link and scroll down to DeFord. He's in good company.

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies1057.htm

Richard's $.02

Outstanding, Rich, hope someone wakes up and notices!!

Richard · 03-04-2009, 09:43

Fred Sams Update:

I received a phone call yesterday from Canyon College--whose main 'campus' is in Boise, ID--and spent over an hour discussing Sams and the issues we, as QPs and veterans, have with this guy's claims and the position it may put them in when 'academic integrity' is an important part of their stated culture.

They had no idea of the extent of such chicanery and, initially, were focused on the issue of him not claiming to be a Vietnam vet or undertaking 'secret missions' as the previous newspaper article had focused upon. They sent me a relevant chunk of Sams' CV regarding his military claims when he applied for a position with them and, after looking it over, we talked about the following claims:

Military Occupational Specialties:
U.S. Army Special forces (Green Beret), Intelligence & Small weapons

Professional Memberships:
Special Forces Association

Professional Experience:
1976 to 1977
U.S. Army - Special Forces Visiting Instructor
Survival/Escape & Evasion

I think I convinced them that Sams:

Could not be who/what he claimed based on his CVs time-line
That Sams did not attend the BAC (a prerequisite for SFTG), SFTG, or Ranger schools, and that taking a correspondence course did not qualify him to be awarded any SF MOS or to say he had 'attended' an SF school
That the terminology he used on his CV for SERE and the 11B and F (suffix S) MOSCs for the time period was wrong, something such an SF qualified NCO would never make
That Sams was not a member of the SFA--but had been an Associate Member until challenged to provide proof of having ever served with an SF unit and resigned because he could not do so
That guys like Sams who do such wannabe actions usually have layers of such half-truths and outright deceit which they have built up over years of lying
That the problems have grown in the tech age where anyone can alter or produce a certificate, a diploma, a transcript, a DD214, a set of orders, etc on their home computer...or buy one on the Internet
That there is no telling what other claims Sams has made and how all this puts into question--in my mind and should in theirs--the veracity of anything he's claiming or teaching

I also told them that they should--to better understand the issues here--get a copy of Jug Burkett's Stolen Valor and read it.

I'm waiting for the newspaper to get in touch now and I'll keep you posted on how this all goes.

Can anyone check the records at SWC to see whether or not he was a "Visiting Instructor" for SERE 76-77? I don't think SERE--as a course--began until after that time frame--sometime in the early 80s maybe? When did Nick Rowe actually develop the SERE program at McCall as such?

Richard's $.02

koz · 03-04-2009, 11:55

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Originally Posted by Richard

Fred Sams Update:
Can anyone check the records at SWC to see whether or not he was a "Visiting Instructor" for SERE 76-77? I don't think SERE--as a course--began until after that time frame--sometime in the early 80s maybe? When did Nick Rowe actually develop the SERE program at McCall as such?

Richard's $.02

Some reason either 1981 or 1983 stand out in my mind for when Col Rowe started SERE at MacKall..

Richard · 03-04-2009, 12:02

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Originally Posted by koz

Some reason either 1981 or 1983 stand out in my mind for when Col Rowe started SERE at MacKall..

Me, too. IIRC, he was putting together the POI and doing some testing of it prior to full implementation circa 5/83 when I left the 7th to attend IOAC 6-12/83. Prior to that we ran wholly 'in-house' training ad hoc or sent guys through various sister service (e.g., USAF) schools or the like (e.g., we did one in the RPI conducted by a Negrito who had been a guerrilla fighting the Japanese in WW2).

Richard's $.02