Is Osama Bin Had? - Page 2

Maisy · 09-07-2005, 20:43

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Originally Posted by CoLawman

I briefly forgot about Front

Oooh, just waitin' for the spankin' to start!!

G · 09-07-2005, 20:45

TS

I go for your point of view. OBL may have inspired a certain way of acting (spectacular attacks), but radical Islamism has legs and probably doesn't need OBL or Zarqawi or any other single figure to drive it.

There is much speculation (and doubt) about whether the London bombers, Madrid Bombers, Casablanca bombers et al.were part of the AQ hardcore. I for one, doubt it.

There are both "regional affiliates", small groups and individuals that subscribe to the AQ point of view; and all of them can easily go from having motivation & intent to being capable of carrying out a reasonable attack in a fairly short space of time. I'm not sure if OBL being around figures too much in the equation anymore.

G

**The Reaper** · 09-07-2005, 21:00

I would declare him dead, and make him prove otherwise.

Lots of opportunities when he does that.

TR

**Ambush Master** · 09-07-2005, 21:00

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Originally Posted by Maisy

I read somewhere that OBL and Saddam hated each other with a fire fiecer than the might of a nuclear explosion (or words to that effect

) and that if Saddam, and by extension Iraq, were on fire, OBL would not p*** on him.

If so, would that explain why OBL himself has not been seen anywhere near there, although other members of AQ have?

They do not care about, on whose land they engage the Unbelievers (Infidels) !! Also, in the early days of OIF, do you recall seeing the "Paintings" of the WTCs collapse, several times in different locations ?!?!? They may have not gotten along, but they were aligned in a common cause !!!

The only thing that I question is the point that was brought up a few weeks back about the lack of Muslim unrest in the area of China that borders with A-stan !!! The possibility that OBL could be hiding in there in exchange for his "maintaining quiet" in the area !!

Later
Martin

NousDefionsDoc · 09-07-2005, 21:02

While I agree that from a tactical point of view, it would make little difference ( I doubt he could plan a Girl Scout picnic), I disagree from a strategic view.

Terrorist movements are dependent on dynamic leadership personalities. I think this is necessary at least in part in order to do the things that must be done in order to be a successful movement. Not to the enemy so much as to the base.

If you look at some of the profiles of the neophytes - they are often young, intelligent and far from home. Students studying abroad, etc. They need a substitute role model. They look to local mullahs and at a global level, to those like Bin Laden and Zarqawi. Everybody needs heros.

So I think it is indeed important that they see that the myth of their invulnerability is just that - a myth.

And there is the historical aspect.

They need to see his shattered body in all it's gore. And his head on the fence at the White House. That they will understand. And fear.

Under no circumstances should he be "cleaned up for viewing" nor should "they" be allowed to bury him. No trial - destruction.

His shemagh and AK should be hung in the Special Warfare Museum.

Bendo · 09-08-2005, 07:32

IMO, the war will be won. As the war continues for the next 8 to 10 years we will start to give these terrorists ligitamacy (e.g., PLO - Arafat, al-sadr in Iraq) at that point it will be a lot easier to isolate and destroy them. We could also let them start their own "country" say on an isolated island like for instance Bikini Atol and "help" them build a nuclear reactor to power their island. We could then make a devilery of Plutonium in an Unmanned 747 and have an "accident" upon landing on the atol. Or of course we could just send representatives from the National Organization for Woman over and in no time at all things would start to change.

Prozac time

Yoshi · 09-08-2005, 09:53

I think he's dead.

My belief there is based in part upon the fact that he hasn't been around, but mostly based upon the question of "what would I do if I was calling the shots?".

I would find him and kill him, and it would all be done discreetly.

No Martyr. No democrats and media screaming that the war is over because OBL is dead, and (for awhile at least) no other terrorist deciding they have to "out-do" 9/11 in order to get AQ to unite behind him. Also, no waiting for 3 years for a ridiculous trial to begin like with Saddam.

Yosh

CommoGeek · 09-08-2005, 14:50

Dead.

Tupac has released CDs for years after his demise and OBL really is no better than Tupac.
(I'm only kidding a little here, I don't believe his tapes to be real and his references to recent events (post 9/11) are ambiguous enough to make Nostradamus jealous.)

Besides, if he turns up as a maggot infested display, while pleasing to us in the US and elsewhere he becomes a martyr, an icon for his terrorist ilk.

Better that he fade away and become a big "?" in the history books.

NousDefionsDoc · 09-08-2005, 15:19

He is already an icon. They think he is invincible.

CommoGeek · 09-08-2005, 15:30

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Originally Posted by NousDefionsDoc

He is already an icon. They think he is invincible.

Concur, current events say otherwise but I'm preaching to the choir here.

Detcord · 09-08-2005, 23:42

The best thing to do with this guy if he's still around is get some video of him enjoying a cozy bacon and egg breakfeast with his gay lover.

That would be too much pork for the Muslim world to tolerate!!!

Maisy · 09-09-2005, 00:12

He has actually become a bit of a non-entity lately hasn't he?

No tv appearances, no audio rants, no "waving of the gun against the infidel" photo's, not even the occasional written note to Al-Jazeera sayin' "hi, did you miss me? Oh and btw, I was responsible for that carbombing the other day".

All we have heard from AQ lately is the occasional "infidel" rant from his wannabe Lieutenants, and the odd "we are very strong, look, we have shot guns in the air".

He had a huge family from all accounts, with his children marrying his 2IC's children etc, and yet I have heard nothing from the whole blimmin' lot of them for some time.

So I am beginning to be persuaded to the dark side on this one...

Cincinnatus · 09-09-2005, 20:54

Dead. Died choking on a pork chop bone while drunk off his ass watching a donkey show in TJ. Spread the word.

dennisw · 10-07-2005, 08:12

I'm not sure if Saddam and OBL are or were still enemies. In The Secret History of the Iraq War by Yossef Bodansky the author makes the case that Saddam realized he needed Al Qeada if he were going to defeat the Americans and entered into a pact or agreement with OBL.

Sten · 10-07-2005, 10:10

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Originally Posted by dennisw

I'm not sure if Saddam and OBL are or were still enemies. In The Secret History of the Iraq War by Yossef Bodansky the author makes the case that Saddam realized he needed Al Qeada if he were going to defeat the Americans and entered into a pact or agreement with OBL.

No dictator would allow a loose canon like OBL into his country. He would publicly support him and his actions but he would never let a religious fanatic/cult leader like him in. Keep him living with the goats and Taliban, sure send a Ramadan card with a fat donation but don't invite him in.