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Old 08-24-2005, 09:32   #16
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I would say that price is a large factor again, they obviously got a bundle of Galils for the price that a smaller number of production Rk95s would have cost them. I am not 100% sure that if the Rk95s are even manufactured any more, atleast the civilian version M92S manufacture ceased a a few years back.

The Estonians also received thousands of U.S. M14 rifles.
They also received a lot of G-3s, which equip a number of reserve units.

Snipers use the Galil sniper rifle.

Oddly, active units have the Israeli Galil assault rifle and the German MG-3 machine gun, but while reserve units have the German G-3 assault rifle, they have MAG machine guns (which I believe came from Israel).
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Old 08-24-2005, 09:44   #17
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And a couple ODAs from my company did a MTT on that rifle for them back in '97.
From what I can tell, they don't use them anymore. Even the Kaitseliit (Estonian Defense League), a voluntary militia, appears to have the G-3 now.
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From what I can tell, they don't use them anymore. Even the Kaitseliit (Estonian Defense League), a voluntary militia, appears to have the G-3 now.
Yes, seen them used lately only for ceremonial etc. duties.

Even the more reason to sell some to the other side of the bay, only few M14s floating around here.
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Old 08-25-2005, 09:59   #19
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Oddly, active units have the Israeli Galil assault rifle and the German MG-3 machine gun, but while reserve units have the German G-3 assault rifle, they have MAG machine guns (which I believe came from Israel).
Apparently, the MAG 58s came from Sweden.
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Old 08-25-2005, 10:37   #20
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AL, Swedish designation Ksp 58. Originally designed for 6.5 mm ammunition, for ease of use with the older service rifle M96 - i.e. Mauser (which I've fired, liked it).

The Swedish defense later switched to the H&K G3, military designation Ak4 (Automatkarbin 4/Automatic Carbine 4), which utilizes the 7.62x51 mm round. The timing of the switch I am not sure of, but the Ksp58/MAG 58 was rechambered for the new round. The 7.62 version is called Ksp58B.

According to www.soldf.com there's still 6.5 mm ammo left since the great production of early 20th century.

The Ak4/G3 has since been replaced by the 5.56 mm Ak5 (FN FNC 80), produced under license of Bofors. The Ak4 is still in use in Hemvärnet, an organization vaguely resembling the U.S. National Guard.

The Mauser had found its way to the "Boy Scout Militias" (my term, suggesting FBU Ungdom, Flygvapnets Ungdomsförening, and so on) - civilian units resembling militarized Boy Scouts and run by the military. Available for youths aged 15-20, no combat training is conducted for personell under 18 years of age. In accordance with Swedish law, you need to be over 17 years old to handle automatic weapons. In the areas around Stockholm, this means the Ak5 carbine. Because of political pressure, those under 17 years of age have transfered to the use of .22 long rifles. I suppose that means the end of the M96/Mauser.

I would not be suprised if G3/Ak4s have also found their way to Estonia, but I have not confirmed this. A lot of military surplus is transferred accross the puddle. This is partly because of economic profit reasons in conjunction with the disbandment of units in and the reorganization of the Swedish military from an invasion defense towards a task force oriented one (poor translation of Insatsförsvar: task force, rapid reaction units)

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I think it likely that some if not most of the G-3s in Estonian service are Ak.4 variants. There is a thread on the Ak.4 on the Estonian Defense League discussion forum, but my Estonian isn't good enough to tell me if they are talking in general or about specific rifles in Estonian service. The words "obsolete" and "piece of junk" do stand out, however.
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