03-01-2004, 23:32
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Oops gee sorry about that TR. Shall I edit? LOL
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Catholic schoolgirl uniforms.
Kneeling.
Discipline.
Rulers.
Short skirts.
Bad Girls.
I think you have enough for a novel there, likely a best seller.
Nuff said!
TR
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03-02-2004, 00:11
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Evidently all I need now is a title!
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03-02-2004, 10:48
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Interesting topic. While in high school and college, we cheerleaders wore our uniforms on game days. Football or Basketball, it was a tradition. Only now can I look back and think of the propaganda we were selling. Our uniforms included very short skirts, and tight fitting tops. Looking back now, I realize the public shools I attended were just trying to sell tickets to the games, and were using us as inticements.
I can remember some students who wore USMC or ARMY T's to school, and I thought they were just supporting the armed forces.
I saw nothing wrong with it then, and especially now, amidst all the war and terror abroad, and all the killing here at home, I say right on! More power to those students who want to show their support for Our Bravest!
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03-02-2004, 11:08
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The article was pretty vague regarding the specifics of the dress code. I'd have to know more about the regulation before I could create an opinion.
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03-02-2004, 11:37
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Quote:
Originally posted by The Reaper
Catholic schoolgirl uniforms.
Kneeling.
Discipline.
Rulers.
Short skirts.
Bad Girls.
I think you have enough for a novel there, likely a best seller.
Nuff said!
TR
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For some real entertainment, enter those as search terms in Google and see what kind of websites you get  .
As for the policy originally in question - my gut tells me it is part of the "zero-tolerance" BS regarding "guns." The conventional wisdom in American society is that Gun = violence. This is evident in how the term "gun-culture" has been perverted from meaning "Americans who grew up hunting / shooting and who still maintain firearms and find pleasure in their use" to "gang-banger punks who want to shoot everybody."
I have read similar articles where kids got in trouble for having gun magazines in school (such as "American Rifleman"), or drawing pictures of firearms in notebooks. I would have been SOL if they had such policies in my day. Heck, I can even remember an "invention" we had to come up with for some cheesy 7th grade class - mine was a gun to shoot bugs in the house without damaging furniture! I would have probably been expelled nowadays just due to the drawings I made with that one!
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03-02-2004, 11:49
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Just shows you how times change
When I was a senior in high school back in 1988 all the guys regardless if you were interested or not had to go to the auditorium over a few days and hear recruiters from all the branches give a talk on what they had to offer.
That of course was followed up by the home visit to drop off some literature and try to talk to you again
Now you can't even wear a tshirt ?
Maybe it's all tshirts with slogans were barred ?
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03-02-2004, 12:30
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Originally posted by NousDefionsDoc
I was hoping to get a discussion about the Right of Freedom of Expression that children don't have, but I guess not.
I'll bet if he had worn a Michael Moore shirt with Bush-bashing on it, it would have been ok.
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Of course it would have. Political expression by students is protected by the First Amendment. See Tinker v. Des Moines School District, 393 U.S. 503 (1969).
The issue wasn't the Corps or any patriotic message. It was the rifle on the T-Shirt and the ridiculous "zero-tolerance" policies that lead to kids getting suspended or expelled for having toy GI Joe rifles or aspirin on school grounds. James Taranto of the online Wall Street Journal's opinion site catalogs these things in his "Zero Tolerance Watch" in the daily "Best of the Web" feature. Lef through a few of these to get a flavor of how ridiculous this has become: http://www.opinionjournal.com/search...db=db&where=oj
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03-02-2004, 12:45
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AL,
Don't you think this zero tolerance policy is actually a way to win the ideology war? What I mean is "We will have zero tolerance for anything that refers to guns, and they'll forget guns exist. Then we can repeal the 2nd and we've won."
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03-02-2004, 12:49
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AL,
Don't you think this zero tolerance policy is actually a way to win the ideology war? What I mean is "We will have zero tolerance for anything that refers to guns, and they'll forget guns exist. Then we can repeal the 2nd and we've won."
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Zero tolerance applied to all aspects of the dress code in San Antonio. The kids could not wear tank tops. My daughter has broad shoulders, and it "appeared" that she was wearing a tank top even though she wasn't. She was suspended for the day.
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03-02-2004, 12:58
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Well, DAMN!
I am a zero tolerance kind of guy. For example, I was in the 82nd when it was still known as the Jumpin' Junkies. The zero drug tolerance in the military is a wonderful thing in my mind. Same thing with DUIs. If you're stupid enough to drink and drive with all the public trans there is in and around a military base, I don't want you on my Team.
But those two examples are proven to hurt people.
I am not a child's rights advocate either. They need to shutup and do what they're told. But to say, as I assume they are doing, that a Marine T Shirt with an M16 on it is advocating Colombine behavior is ridiculous. I would say it advocates the opposite.
Know what's interesting to me? I have yet to hear of anyone in the education field accept any responsibility at all for school shootings. Maybe I've missed it, but I've heard the blame placed on guns, tv, video games, witchcraft, and society, a little on parents. Nothing by the educators saying "We've been in charge of this ssystem for the last 30 years and we're also to blame."
And frankly, since a child spends about 7 hours a day, five days a week in the system (minimum) I don't see how they don't share in the blame.
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03-02-2004, 14:25
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Know what's interesting to me? I have yet to hear of anyone in the education field accept any responsibility at all for school shootings. Maybe I've missed it, but I've heard the blame placed on guns, tv, video games, witchcraft, and society, a little on parents. Nothing by the educators saying "We've been in charge of this ssystem for the last 30 years and we're also to blame."
And frankly, since a child spends about 7 hours a day, five days a week in the system (minimum) I don't see how they don't share in the blame.
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Maybe you should write a letter to Michael Moore and Sarah Brady.
TR
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03-02-2004, 14:27
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I'd rather bang my finger with a hammer repeatedly.
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03-02-2004, 14:43
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The horror!!
HAMMER CONTROL!!
Ban assault hammers! Ban automatic nailers! Sue Estwing and Home Depot! Free Hammer Locks! Start a Hammer buy back program! Limit hammer sales to one per month! Limit nail strips to 10 nails in length! Register all hammers. Ban straw hammer sales! Close the Tool Show loophole! Register owners and place a limit on the number of hammers or nails you can posess without a special license. No underage hammer users! No child hammer safety programs! Deny the right to carry hammers concealed and high speed tool belts! Ban private hammer sales! Anyone carrying a hammer is up to no good! Stigamitize hammer owners! March on Washington, after all , it is for the children.
The instrument is at fault, not the user!
Can we make a movie about this, or at least put it on the news nightly till some new laws are passed?
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03-02-2004, 14:46
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Apparently the vote on the ban extention is under way.
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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03-02-2004, 15:00
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You can have my hammer when you pry it from my cold dead fingers
My cousin decided that her son would have no guns, GI joes or war toys of any kind. She felt that if she kept it away from him that he wouldn't be interested
So what does he do uncoached on day ? Raise his thumb and extend his index finger and yell "BANG Mummy I got you ! "
I think Forest Gump said it best when I read of over reactions like this " Stupid is as stupid does "
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