07-15-2005, 15:19
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Well, now there is an unbiased source with no agenda. 
Wonder what their take is on collection of union dues, and then redistributing them for political causes against the worker's desires?
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07-15-2005, 15:27
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Manufacturing goods in China for the United States market, in the volumes now being imported into our country, is a new form of treason.
The range is now open on this knifemaker.
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07-15-2005, 15:32
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Manufacturing goods in China for the United States market, in the volumes now being imported into our country, is a new form of treason.
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Why?
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07-15-2005, 15:34
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If people don't like the wages at Wal-Mart, they don't have to work there. I am surprised to see so many commies on this board. 
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07-15-2005, 15:39
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I always saw cashiers and sales associates as entry level positions, kind of like the fry cook at McDonald's.
How many people take those jobs with the intent of making a career out of that position?
I agree that we may need to look at some restructuring of tariffs to prevent dumping.
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07-15-2005, 15:44
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I always saw cashiers and sales associates as entry level positions, kind of like the fry cook at McDonald's.
How many people take those jobs with the intent of making a career out of that position?
I agree that we may need to look at some restructuring of tariffs to prevent dumping.
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The US already has some of the most aggressive anti-dumping laws in the world, and foreign producers rarely come out ahead in anti-dumping disputes (less than 15% of the time when I last checked). What is it that you're concerned is being dumped? 
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07-15-2005, 15:55
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The United States population "pays" China to produce all our stuff, this builds Chinas economy that China in turn uses to build it's military to threaten us with.
Is this over simple "knifemakers math"?
We are growing China by teaching them to do what we used to do ourselves.
If we export all our manufacturing jobs to China this causes some very long term problems for our security.
First, we get lazy and no longer want to "do the hard work" ourselves. OK, maybe we already got there...
We lose the tradition of being able to "make stuff'. Machinists, engineers, designers, mechanics, assembly line workers, etc. are losing tens of thousands of jobs because they have already been exported to China.
This ends the tradition of doing that kind of work here and if we need them tommorrow, they simply aren't there.
Real world example, What happens when we need to quickly increase manufacturing of something as relatively simple as armored Humvees?
Can't do it fast enough because we've lost the manufacturing capacity.
Any Ivory Tower boys who disagree need to spend some more time at dirt level to see what's going on.
If China knows it controls our economy by it's production of our goods, that is a serious exposure.
Much of the new industrial manufacturing technology provided to China by the United States can also be used to build a military.
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07-15-2005, 16:04
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Any Ivory Tower boys who disagree need to spend some more time at dirt level to see what's going on.
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Sir, are you talking to me? LMAO
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07-15-2005, 16:09
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Sir, are you talking to me? LMAO
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That comment was in case we got anyone from academia joing us here later as a guest.
No way would I insult any of the esteemed members of Professional Soldiers.com
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07-15-2005, 16:11
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You make a valid point, but use of the word "treason" is hyperbolic.
Perhaps Greenhat will join this discussion . . .
AL?
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07-15-2005, 16:11
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IIRC, NDD says that China is not a threat to us.
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07-15-2005, 16:31
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FWIW, I talked to a Professor of Economics at our local college a few weeks back. During our conversation we came up on the subject of China. He has been teaching "economics" for 40 years now and told me that if China wanted to destroy us or provoke a pre-emptive strike, they wouldn't need to do anything other than stop shipping goods to the US for a period of 1-2 months. He stated that our economy would collapse within days after the refusal to ship out goods, forcing us to do something very drastic and quickly.
Words for thought?
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07-15-2005, 16:37
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Might hurt retail sales, but I can get by without buying anything be food and gas for a while.
What would it do to them to lose all of that money, and either have half of their population unemployed, or every warehouse in the country full?
Inflationary as hell here till US manufacturers got back on line again.
I think that sword cuts them more than us.
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07-15-2005, 16:48
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forcing us to do something very drastic and quickly.
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Just curious, but can you provide a for instance?
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07-15-2005, 17:14
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You make a valid point, but use of the word "treason" is hyperbolic.
Perhaps Greenhat will join this discussion . . .
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When I say treason, I mean in a convulated slow motion kind of way, kind of like the word hyperbolic? JEEEEEEEEEEEZ That's a Frontsight class word.
Who controls the resources controls the world.
Anyone noticing how a lot of that is headed towards China?
Cement prices are through the roof here because of China, steel goes without saying...how do you build military stuff without steel?
You also can't make steel without certain fuels. So much of the worlds mineral resources are being directed to China that I think this is also a tactical concern.
You don't build good gun barrels without certain alloys, many of which do not exist here in the United States and we are having a tough time getting them because these same alloys are going to China.
This is where I live, so to speak. My information on steels comes directly from the captains of the industry.
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