07-01-2005, 22:02
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Originally Posted by Warrior-Mentor
Ask the guys who've read it if it was money well spent.
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not busting your chops, but i suspect the better evaluation of money spent will be when the initial group of purchasers hit Selection, n'cest pas?
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07-01-2005, 22:47
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IMO...
Lksteve, you make a valid point. The true test of the quality of the book is when it comes to crunch time - if you can even judge the impact of it. But its just like all the other information and recommendations out there - it's more exposure and insight that a prospective candidate can avail himself to.
And the money is essentially a donation to the Foundation, so nothing wrong with getting a free gift in the process.
Personally, I'm a long way off from even being able to even put in a packet for SFAS, so I take advantage of the amount of time I have. Listening to the Quiet Professionals on these forums, as well as the books they write, seems to be a prime way to learn and prepare. Nobody said going the officer approach would be easy.
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07-02-2005, 07:50
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I think that the point made was that knowledge is fine, but just reading the book is not enough to get you through SFAS. You actually have to spend the time DOING the PT recommended in the book.
There appear to be a lot of kids in the currrent generation who seem to think that there is an easy way to get anything, and that with enough information, you can skip the hard parts.
SFAS and the SFQC do not work that way and a smart candidate (that we are looking for) will realize that and do what they have to to prep.
OTOH, if reading the book can help you prepare your feet, your mind, or organize your PT routine, then so be it. After all, as the book concludes, TAKE ACTION.
TR
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07-02-2005, 09:42
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You actually have to spend the time DOING the PT recommended in the book.
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doing the PT, adapting the mindset...evaluating your strengths and weaknesses and developing a plan to overcome them...it is not an easy task...the money goes to a good cause and the information in the book should help, but the onus is on the prospective candidate...
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""A man must know his destiny. if he does not recognize it, then he is lost. By this I mean, once, twice, or at the very most, three times, fate will reach out and tap a man on the shoulder. if he has the imagination, he will turn around and fate will point out to him what fork in the road he should take, if he has the guts, he will take it.""- GEN George S. Patton
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07-02-2005, 12:16
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NDD...sir...hmmm...i'm gonna get my earplugs...  |
LOL. It's ok Dave. Just don't call me Sir. My parents were married before I was born and I can pour piss out of a jungle boot without reading the instructions on the heel.  
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07-02-2005, 13:30
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I may be underqualified to vouch for the validity of this book based on a lack of life experience, but I found it to be a good read.
When I first read about it, my initial reaction was much the same as NG M4 Shooter's...might as well just use the Search button. As reviews started pouring in, paired with descriptions, I realized that sentiment might be false so decided to spend the $20 and give the book a try.
It starts out with things you can Doogle, a brief description of what SF is and the training pipeline. After this, it moves on to an analysis of "why people fail," which I thought was a pretty cool chapter not only for listing WHY but HOW to avoid those. Some of that you could find with a Search button, others (e.g. how to maximize chances at the board, should you have to face it) you couldn't.
It goes on to a pretty detailed description of foot care, beyond "powder and drive on." Logically following that is a chapter on boot selection and maintenance, to include how to lace (well...your options doing so) and break them in, which I suppose is easier to learn from a book by trial and error.
PT chapter is next, followed by chapters on family and mentors. The last third or so of the book is a bunch of appendices to the first two thirds.
I thought it was a pretty quick, easy read with a lot of little pointers that could significantly improve one's quality of life while going through lots of training, besides the various phases of the SFQC.
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07-02-2005, 14:01
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LOL. It's ok Dave. Just don't call me Sir. My parents were married before I was born and I can pour piss out of a jungle boot without reading the instructions on the heel.
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i was raised to not piss in my jungle boots...
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07-02-2005, 14:26
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clarification.
I didnt say not to help out the worthy cause. I just spoke my initial reaction. I've read enough of TR, NDD, Kyobanim to know what one must do to adequately prepare himself.
A program that stresses rucking, running, push ups, pull ups, abs, grip strength, a spot of swimming, diet and recovery will, if given the appropriate amount of dedication and attention to detail - along with a mind content on doing nothing that doesnt serve the goal will get you through.
Which program a Soldier decides to use is up to him. If you choose the book, good on you. If you choose to read what is written here on PS you'll be well advised also.
That is only my opinion. I am NOT a special forces soldier, have never been one, never been in a group or carried a rucksack for an ODA. I'm a 36 year old grunt, with good infantry skills, and a CAT III dlab score. I've been around. Coulda, shoulda, woulda, wannabe. Can't. My legs are shot, even after surgery, I can barely eek out a passing PT score with the appropriate amount of vicodin.
But I enjoy the mental company of these fine Soldiers. I am glad to know some in person that I can call friends. Even some foreign SF guys. And to a man, the story of success is the same. Hard work, a spot of luck, a focused mind, and they BELIEVE they can.
Well thats it for now.
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07-04-2005, 19:12
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Originally Posted by NG_M4_Shooter
Which program a Soldier decides to use is up to him. If you choose the book, good on you. If you choose to read what is written here on PS you'll be well advised also.
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How about both.
Going through the book, I've seen stuff there that's not on PS.com. Likewise I've found info. here that's not in the book.
Or, maybe I'm not using the search function efficiently enough.
Either way it's true, you actually have to DO, not just READ if you want to achieve your goals.
Regards,
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07-10-2005, 00:44
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... i suspect the better evaluation of money spent will be when the initial group of purchasers hit Selection, n'cest pas?
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Fair enough. If the track record at SOPC is any indicator, I'm confident guys will come back from selection and say it helped.
For less than $25, I never promised the book would carry the ruck for them. 
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07-10-2005, 18:46
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I just ordered a copy and I'm super excited.
Thanks!
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07-10-2005, 20:56
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Fair enough. If the track record at SOPC is any indicator, I'm confident guys will come back from selection and say it helped.
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any idea what that track record is yet? how many classes, etc.?
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For less than $25, I never promised the book would carry the ruck for them.
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not much of a bargain, then, is it...?
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07-11-2005, 02:05
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I flipped through the book at the ASOM museum in Fayetteville, didn't buy it then. It seemed a good read, gonna order one up soon. Especially since its for the SOWF charity.
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07-13-2005, 18:52
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THEY'RE NOT SELLING MY BOOK!
THEY'RE NOT SELLING MY BOOK!
Fort Lewis Clothing Sales isn't selling GET SELECTED FOR SPECIAL FORCES.
They pulled it off the shelves.
Last week they had a great display of 100 books in a special display right as you walked in the store.
When I walked into the store on Monday, the display was gone. I couldn't find GET SELECTED anywhere.
When I asked Brandy, the store Book Manager, where it was...why they weren't selling it, she explained they had a problem.
"A problem?" I asked. "What could possibly be the problem?"
She explained "We put up a 100 copies early last week. Because they were selling so quickly, we had to pull the books or we would have run out long before your book signing. We couldn't have a book signing without any books!"
THEY WEREN'T SELLING GET SELECTED BECAUSE IT WAS SELLING TOO QUICKLY!
Unfortunately, the warehouse couldn't get them any more before the book signing. Most of my books are in Yuma, Arizona....so I managed to get them a resupply with the 25 copies we had at my wife's house to help the shortage.
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07-13-2005, 19:00
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Congrats Warrior-Mentor!
That is the best kind of "problem" to have.
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