05-13-2005, 14:13
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I wonder if they'll move the Naval Aerospace Medical Research Laboratory and Hospital with it?
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Realignment of medical research calls for the creation of "Joint Centers of Excellence" for various fields:
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Battlefield Health and Trauma research at Fort Sam Houston, TX; Infectious Disease research at Walter Reed – Forest Glenn Annex, MD; Aerospace Medicine research at Wright Patterson AFB, OH; Regulated Medical Project development & acquisition at Fort Detrick, MD; Medical Biological Defense research at Fort Detrick, MD; and Chemical Biological Defense research, development & acquisition at Aberdeen Proving Ground, MD.
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So if it goes anywhere, it will probably join the USAF School of Aerospace Medicine, which is to leave Brooks City Base in San Antonio for Wright-Pat.
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05-13-2005, 14:22
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I know this isn't SO related. What about the move of the Armor Center and School to Ft. Benning.
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05-13-2005, 14:37
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I know this isn't SO related. What about the move of the Armor Center and School to Ft. Benning.
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Also, the ADA Center and School is moving to Fort Sill to join with the FA Center and School.
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05-13-2005, 14:57
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Realignment of medical research calls for the creation of "Joint Centers of Excellence" for various fields: So if it goes anywhere, it will probably join the USAF School of Aerospace Medicine, which is to leave Brooks City Base in San Antonio for Wright-Pat.
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You are right, AL. (Why am I not surprised?  )
"Wright-Patterson also would obtain the Navy's aero-medical research laboratory now located at Pensacola, Fla."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,156463,00.html
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05-14-2005, 06:11
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Guess we are going to be bitches for the AF.
One lone SF COL in charge of an SFG on an installation with a USAF LTG. How long will that work? Post support year round, here we come!
Where will the ARSOF support facilities, ranges, shoothouses, CIF, etc. be located?
Glad that this will free up space on Bragg for the 4th BDE of the 82nd. Maybe they will put the Brigade in the 7th SFGA area and barracks?
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In 1975, the installation served as one of four main U.S. Vietnamese Refugee Processing Centers, where base personnel housed and processed more than 10,000 Southeast Asian refugees at the Auxiliary Field Two "Tent City." Eglin again became an Air Force refugee resettlement center processing over 10,000 Cubans who fled to the U.S. between April and May of 1980.
It seems like the barracks problem on Eglin was solved a long time ago.
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05-14-2005, 08:01
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I know this isn't SO related. What about the move of the Armor Center and School to Ft. Benning.
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Lesson learned from tasking tankers as infantry in Iraq?
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05-14-2005, 08:03
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7th Group to Eglin makes a little sense - language/cultural immersion for Spanish. Next best thing to being back in RP. 
Whoever had the PR idea should be hung from Bronze Bruce's limp hand.
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05-14-2005, 08:11
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Lesson learned from tasking tankers as infantry in Iraq?
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Haven't seen much of that.
More artillery and ADA being used as grunts.
Besides, would you rather have an understrength fire team, or an M-1A2 patrolling the streets with you?
Have that many Hispanics moved into the Florida Panhandle? Last time I spent much time there, it was crackers and college students.
Have to agree on PR. I was there when C Company arrived from Panama and it sucked the whole time.
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05-14-2005, 09:07
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Sucks to be in:
Eilson AFB
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you forgot to mention Hawthorne NV...of course, even if the base stayed open, it sucks to be in Hawthorne NV...
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05-14-2005, 10:02
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you forgot to mention Hawthorne NV...of course, even if the base stayed open, it sucks to be in Hawthorne NV...
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Actually, Hawthorne is pretty neat.
Great place for practicing high angle shooting, as LR 1947 can attest.
The thing that concerns me is that in consideration of a small savings over time, and a large expense in cleaning up and returning bases, we lose the ability to expand in the event of a major future requirement.
Can you imagine having to buy land for and build bases today like we did in WW II? The environmental impact studies alone would take forever.
We also lose the exposure these bases provide for positive impact on the communities. Many kids today have never seen a servicemenber in real life, let alone had one for a neighbor, a coach, etc.
Some of these decisions make no sense at all. Realigning Pope AFB and McChord AFB, two of the bases that support Army installations and their rapid deployments? Moving an SFG from one of the largest Army bases in the world, home of USASOC and the SF Schoolhouse to go to an AF base with no real infrastructure to support SF training or deployment requirements? I guess AFSOC will finally have a real FID capability. Looks like some pretty stupid decisions to me.
Finally, we further concentrate our resources in fewer and fewer baskets, making targeting much easier for those who would oppose us.
I would favor mothballing and realigning bases, with no closure. That preserves the resources, removes the cost of clean-ups, and allows for a return if future requirements arise.
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05-14-2005, 11:07
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7th Group to Eglin makes a little sense - language/cultural immersion for Spanish. Next best thing to being back in RP. |
Northern Cuba, I mean South Florida would be better.
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The Eglin area doesn't have a large Spanish-speaking population. Eglin does offer ranges, and with Hurlburt nearby you'd probably never hurt for MC-130 and MH-53 support. Of course, I suppose the AFSOC commander might start to think of 7th Group as there to support him.
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05-14-2005, 12:15
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The Eglin area doesn't have a large Spanish-speaking population. Eglin does offer ranges, and with Hurlburt nearby you'd probably never hurt for MC-130 and MH-53 support. Of course, I suppose the AFSOC commander might start to think of 7th Group as there to support him.
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Eglin has lots of ranges to support a variety of AF weapons.
How many multi-level 360 degree shoot houses do you think they have suitable for SFAUC training?
I think that you are right on the support. Easy way for the AF to obtain an SFG of their own at no real cost.
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05-14-2005, 12:36
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I keep coming back to this comment about the recommendation for Fort Bragg:
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05-14-2005, 14:11
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If by that you mean Miami and surrounding areas then yes as far as language immersion goes it probably would be better. However, I thought the idea behind base realignment was cost-savings. It's cheaper at Eglin.
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