04-01-2005, 16:19
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There is something about propeller driven fighters that is just kick ass.
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04-01-2005, 16:47
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I like seeing the heroes of yesteryear in action. Motivates me and makes me proud to wear the red white and blue.
Thanks for sharing AM
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04-01-2005, 20:53
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Can I have a hug, please?
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
I respectfully disagree with your comments that all pilots today are removed from the effects of their works.
I would submit that an A-10 pilot sees plenty of what he does, from a fairly close range. If you do not agree, I recommend that you check out the battle damage that they have taken, if you are catching 7.62x39 fire with your aircraft, you are pretty close, IMHO.
Cobras and Apaches (less missile shots) are fairly close as well.
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While the A-10 and the AH-64 are the exception, most modern aircraft use stand off weapons whenever possible.
It's somewhat apples to oranges here. Pilots of that era (non-bombers) obviously did not have the weapons, speed, armor, nor nav-systems of today. Flying by the seat of their pants was the order of the day.
That's the point I was commenting on.
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04-01-2005, 22:02
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I see some of the gun camera footage shot by A-10's here in OEF. Half is using bombs (smart or dumb) and the other half is rockets or 30mm. Other than LGB's the A-10's are not carrying JDAMs or any other stand off weapons. The LGB shots aren't a typical "lob" either, the "LG" part is used to make it more accurate since troops are usually in close proximity. FWIW, the bombs are 500LB.
I cannot speak for other airframes in OEF or anything in OIF.
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04-02-2005, 09:47
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Originally Posted by CommoGeek
Other than LGB's the A-10's are not carrying JDAMs or any other stand off weapons.
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correct me if i'm wrong, but the A10 can be fitted with a Maverick, which does have a stand off of 7 miles...i recall that Warthog pilots, bless their pointed little heads, did not like Mavericks...
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04-02-2005, 10:04
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Originally Posted by lksteve
correct me if i'm wrong, but the A10 can be fitted with a Maverick, which does have a stand off of 7 miles...
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True.
He said that they were not carrying them, not that they couldn't carry them.
I probably have over 100 hours watching them work on OP 5 when I was on Coleman. A C-130 has a higher top speed.
Those boys like to get down and dirty in the weeds.
Do you think this damage was collected by fkying high and fast?
Go check out the site:
http://www.pats-world.com/gulfwar/abdr-home.htm
TR
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04-02-2005, 10:16
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Those boys like to get down and dirty in the weeds.
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for the most part, the A10 jocks i worked with while i was a GLO were good guys...there were a few that took A10s until they could get a shot at an F15 or F16, but by and large they were guys that understood the nature of warfare a little better than the fast mover pilots i worked with...
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04-02-2005, 10:23
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Next one, recent damage, OIF.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../a-10-pics.htm
Go to the bottom of the page.
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04-02-2005, 18:50
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Isn't that the one with the female pilot? I remember the PAO types making a big deal out of that when it happened. To her credit I understand she was pretty cool about the whole thing. Not to mention having done a good job getting it home so they could fix it and send it back out to kick more a**.
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04-02-2005, 19:22
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Yep.
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04-02-2005, 19:31
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Mavs are in the inventory and occasionally I see them out, but generally they are not used. I do not know if it is a cost issue, an accuracy issue, pilots don’t like them, availability, or what.
The female pilot mentioned above, “Killer Chick”, is now a flight lead and back for her second tour as we speak.
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04-02-2005, 20:06
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Originally Posted by CommoGeek
Mavs are in the inventory and occasionally I see them out, but generally they are not used. I do not know if it is a cost issue, an accuracy issue, pilots don’t like them, availability, or what.
The female pilot mentioned above, “Killer Chick”, is now a flight lead and back for her second tour as we speak.
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Bully for her! There's something about Hadji being sent to his reward by a "chick" (I smiled when I typed it!) that appeals to my sense of humor. Makes you wonder how the "Virgins" are going to recieve him. A-10's rule. They are the direct descendant of the P-47s that started this thread. Just my .02 - Peregrino
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04-02-2005, 20:27
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The A-1 Skyraider, "Sandy" from Vietnam, was another great CAS platform.
I'd like to think the JSF will measure up, but time will tell. The only real shortcoming of the A-10 is a lack of long haul comms. That has changed to an extent, but the current measure isn't perfect.
The P-47 could take a tremendous amount of punishment and keep flying but the lack of range and manuverability made it a CAS platform once sufficient numbers of P-51's were in the ETO.
I just hope our country never forgets that you need strategic air and tactical air, not one or the other.
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04-02-2005, 21:24
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I just hope our country never forgets that you need strategic air and tactical air, not one or the other.
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Amen Brother! Actually, they're not likely to forget the strategic/tactical stuff. It's the CAS that always gets lost when they fight for the next generation air superiority fighter or stealth capable infiltration bomber. Unfortunately the fighter jocks that run the Air Farce tend to forget about the mere mortals slugging it out on the ground. Look at how many times they've talked about getting rid of the A-10 over the last 20+ years. I think the only people that love that plane are it's pilots and us grunts. Makes me envious of the relationship the Marines have with their air assets - a short leash. Just my .02 ya'll - Peregrino
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04-02-2005, 21:37
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Amen. As a Marine told me once, the operative word in Marine Aviation is Marine.
Too bad they don't have their own Docs or Chaplains. Not sure I would trade those.
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