03-14-2005, 17:57
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We just found out today that we're leaving April 4th for Phase 2, rather than the May 16th we were led to believe. As such, I happened to read that article while in the TACs office today. Does anybody know specifics for the sequence of events? Rumor is (yes, I know..) SERE starts immediately after SUT. Then from SERE, directly into Phase 3....
I believe we're being put into our 'ODAs' tomorrow morning. I say that because we seem to be left in the dark most of the time. Shouldn't our TACs keep us more informed? We only seemed to find out because we asked about it, and his answer was along the lines of "oh ya, by the way.."
 I'm not trying to bitch. We just expected to be informed of what was going on with our training. If they don't know, thats cool, I understand. But shouldn't they at least say that?
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03-14-2005, 18:08
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Shhhhhh!
Shhhhhhh! It's a test.
It is not enough that you remain flexible. You must now become fluid. Like a puddle of water on the table ready to move in any direction at the slightist tilt.
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03-14-2005, 18:08
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Shouldn't our TACs keep us more informed?
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Consider yourself lucky. If it was me, I wouldn't even talk to you. 
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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03-14-2005, 18:09
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You need the ability to thrive in an ambiguous environment. Remember many of the tasks in SFAS?
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03-14-2005, 18:12
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Learn To Like It !!!
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Shouldn't our TACs keep us more informed? We only seemed to find out because we asked about it, and his answer was along the lines of "oh ya, by the way.."
I'm not trying to bitch. We just expected to be informed of what was going on with our training. If they don't know, thats cool, I understand. But shouldn't they at least say that? |
Ever wonder why it is called "The Fog of War" ??? Get used to it and learn to treat it like a way of life and you'll maybe make it to a Yarborough !!!
Sheesh !!!!
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03-14-2005, 18:12
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Originally Posted by Pete
Shhhhhhh! It's a test.
It is not enough that you remain flexible. You must now become fluid. Like a puddle of water on the table ready to move in any direction at the slightist tilt.
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Just fluid? What happened to gaseous? The Q Course used to be hard. 
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Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night. The only thing clean on him is his weapon and he made his web gear. He doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00, he is home.
He knows only The Cause.
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03-14-2005, 18:53
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..Tool here
I knew better than to say anything. Need to trust my instincts......
Roger, Out.
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03-14-2005, 19:11
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I knew better than to say anything. Need to trust my instincts......
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Intruder;
It's not what you said it's how you said it. The way you said it came out as whining and sniveling. You could have started out the same way but ended up with "But hey, it don't matter, I'm on the truck just as quick as they say jump."
All that "tell us, let us know" crap.......
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03-14-2005, 19:26
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Originally Posted by Jack Moroney
Couldn't agree more. Damn, just the differences in intonation, culture, idioms are enough to screw the pooch when it comes to getting your point across. My first trip south of the Mason-Dixon line when I first entered the military was enough of a challenge and we all supposedly spoke the same language. Even my grandkids speak with phrases that need a handbook or pointee-talkee cards to understand.
Jack Moroney-still wondering what the meaning of the word "is" is.
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I have no business posting in this thread Jack BUT, speaking of that Mason-Dixon line, I've taught forging steel in the Appalachian mountains of North Carolina, at the invitation of a Penland School... this Oregon boy got exposed to some serious foriegn culture and I didn't even have to show a passport to get there.
One of my students at Penland was a gentleman named Dr. Dick Blomberg. Dick was in charge of the new products division of some little outfit out east called Dupont.
he's the guy who ran the shop that came up with Kevlar, Nomex and Lycra.
Dick gets points for being a difficult student. I've already told him this.
Back to your regular programming...
Edited to add, Pay attention to what Jack said!
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03-14-2005, 19:44
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Intruder;
It's not what you said it's how you said it. The way you said it came out as whining and sniveling. You could have started out the same way but ended up with "But hey, it don't matter, I'm on the truck just as quick as they say jump."
All that "tell us, let us know" crap.......
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I don't think that would be his natural response.
It would appear that his true character was revealed in his initial post.
Hey, Intruder...
YOUR TAC DOESN'T OWE YOU ANYTHING, OTHER THAN INSTRUCTIONS ON WHERE TO BE, WHEN TO BE THERE, AND WHAT TO BRING!!!
Do you think that if you make it through the course and on to a deployed team, you will know everything that is going to happen ahead of time? Do you expect personalized briefings daily??? Are you the President?!?!
This is very weak and reflects poorly.
TR
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03-14-2005, 20:48
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Intruder;
It's not what you said it's how you said it. The way you said it came out as whining and sniveling. You could have started out the same way but ended up with "But hey, it don't matter, I'm on the truck just as quick as they say jump."
All that "tell us, let us know" crap.......
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Roger.
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03-14-2005, 20:56
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They told us they are planning on implementing an "Immersion" program for us in Language school. At somepoint you will spend time in an area key to your language. They mentioned even sending guys overseas for languages such as German. As for us Arabic students, New York or Dearborn, MI. Everything seems kind of so so at the moment but I'll keep you updated if you would be interested to know.
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Language school has the ability of conducting immerssion into your target language provided your class is willing to put in the time to develop the plan and submit it within a reasonable time period to be approved. Of course, it will be on your nickle.
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03-15-2005, 05:55
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Language school has the ability of conducting immerssion into your target language provided your class is willing to put in the time to develop the plan and submit it within a reasonable time period to be approved. Of course, it will be on your nickle.
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They told us yesterday all trips are a no go for now. They outlined the process to us though in case it is once again available to us.
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04-04-2005, 14:25
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Originally Posted by Gandhi
I am actually in the first class that is going to endure the course using the new system. The only thing they have told us for sure so far is an organizational issue. We are going to be broken down into student ODA's. Obviously us medics will not be able to stay with the same ODA through out training, but that is one thing they are trying to work out... The other three mos have been adjusted to be the same length. As I go through I would be more then happy to give a heads up on any changes to the course, as long as they don't violate OPSEC.
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I wonder about keeping the same guys on the same training ODA throughout the QC. I'm not saying it's right or wrong...
What popped into my mind was the interaction you get with all the other students. SF candidates have varied backgrounds and experiences and I think part of the collateral learning that goes on in the QC is the students learning from each other. So, with that logic, more student interaction might be a good thing...
Of course, I see the other side of the coin as well. Having the same guys on your training ODA the whole time means they will develop as a team, get a better grasp of the team mentality and other positive aspects I can't think of right now.
Anyway, my 2 cents.
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04-04-2005, 14:35
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I would rather take an ODA to Robin Sage that had been working together, even intermittently for several months rather than one tossed together for isolation.
I like the overall concept. The devil is in the details.
TR
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