Trustworthy elections

[Box]

Originally Posted by Airbornelawyer

For what it is worth, the problem is not just corrupt politicians, at least in the narrow sense we usually use the word "corrupt". Whether politician or activist or average Joe, if you genuinely believe that your political rivals are not merely people with a competing vision of the best way to achieve the common weal, but are in fact evil, ignorant power-hungry fascist bigots*, and if you consider the motto "by any means necessary" to be perfectly reasonable, why would you mind a little fraud that happened to benefit the good guys and disadvantage the evildoers?

* This is bipartisan by the way. I myself consider many left-wing politicians and activists to be ignorant power-hungry fascists, though I try to give most people the benefit of the doubt.

I agree 100%
Beyond the agreement that there is such a thing as legitimate competing ideas - I believe there is also such a thing as corrupt voters.

It takes corrupt voters to repeatedly elect observably corrupt politicians: garbage in = garbage out.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Box

I agree 100%
Beyond the agreement that there is such a thing as legitimate competing ideas - I believe there is also such a thing as corrupt voters.

It takes corrupt voters to repeatedly elect observably corrupt politicians: garbage in = garbage out.

Concur.

The people are the largest problem not the founding documents...any political modification involves those same corrupt people relying on the same suspect electoral process to get those people there.

I still believe that the “people focus” on fundamentals...has more potential than any process relying on the current crop of most politicians...

...and the political elite appointees who history has proven will sell out the Constitution for the right pussy, the right plumb seat on a board of directors or a consulting gig on CNN or MSNBC.

[Old Dog New Trick]

The “people” are only motivated by who promises the give the best “Bread and Circus” for free!

Even though the bread remains stale and moldy and the circus only has scary clowns!

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

The “people” are only motivated by who promises the give the best “Bread and Circus” for free!

Even though the bread remains stale and moldy and the circus only has scary clowns!

Lol, well We are the people, too...and I know that I don’t need no stinkin’ moldy bread and those ass-clowns can stay the hell in CA, NYC, Boston, Portland, Seattle and DC !!