03-26-2005, 19:12
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Best answer I could give is, "Not enough, Son."
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Very close to what I said. I think he now appreciates that much more the soldiers who do the job. It really should sink in this week when we have 2 RC units return from A-Stan of which many of his classmates have parents in the units.
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03-27-2005, 13:34
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Instead of offering us bonuses they should be letting us do our jobs.
-I've stood next to charges and felt the overpressure as doors blew apart.
-I've stayed in 5 star hotels and slept under ponchos in jungles.
-I've jumped out of airplanes & helos.
-I've flown extended from a rope over cities at night.
-I've fast roped onto moving ships in the middle of oceans.
-I've received training from world class instructors.
-I've done........well you get the picture by now.
Bottom line, I'd do it all for free! Just let us do our jobs and with out the politics.
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03-27-2005, 14:04
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Part of the politics can't be fixed and part of it won't be fixed.
Why not do the same cool stuff for $250,000 per year rather than $50,000 per year? Mama needs new drapes and the lids need braces.
We must be the minority here, because I saw a lot of troops bailing early and taking the big money to go to the Box.
How many guys are over 20 years in, saw no more promotions or really good deals, or had no savings, or had family issues, so they decided to make some good money while they still could, and get a nest egg for a new start?
Several of the dead contractors are guys who did just that. The Separation Centers are jammed with SF guys doing just that.
Let's not kid ourselves. Reality check. For some, the money matters, even if it only shows that the Army values them enough to compensate them for it, just like doctors, aviators, etc.
Just my observations.
TR
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03-27-2005, 14:33
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Reaper,
Understood and I can agree with you to some extent. Seen lots of guys blow their money and have nothing after 20. If the money is offerd, take it. I just think the money could be better spent to keep SF guys.
The politics won't go away, but if we stick to our guns, we can have "small victories." Telling people what they want to hear is what the conventional forces do, not Special Forces.
As far as people getting out for the money, don't think that all of the guys getting out are doing it to just to make money. A lot of guys are getting out to go over as civilians because they couldn't go back with the military. They believe in what we are doing and operate with less red tape.
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03-27-2005, 15:37
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The Separation Centers are jammed with SF guys doing just that.TR
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No kidding there. It looked like a SF reunion when I left two years ago.
The Separation Center was so appreciative of our service they even had a friendly lady to help us. 
Guys vote with their feet.
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03-27-2005, 15:56
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Instead of offering us bonuses they should be letting us do our jobs...Bottom line, I'd do it all for free! Just let us do our jobs and with out the politics.
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you can't change what passes for adult leadership...it was an issue 11 years ago when i retired, it was an issue 34 years ago when my dad retired...
you do dangerous work in a dangerous world...you are willing to endure conditions most wouldn't think of...you take risks, big risks...
i re-upped twice before OCS, no bonus...no bonuses as an officer...it took damn near 10 years to adapt to life without an Army to go to...
if your desire is to stay in SF, do dangerous things, go dangerous places, meet new and exciting people and kill them in my name, please.... TAKE THE MONEY ...you're probably worth every penny...
speaking from the point of view as a retired usta-be, current taxpayer...
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03-28-2005, 13:16
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The past few posts remind me of a saying we had: :"And to think civilians have to pay to do this shit!!!" 
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04-06-2005, 09:18
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little bump for interviews
Heard this report this morning.
Click the listen button to get it. Not really any new information but interviews of operators and Military pers in the know. Heck, some of you probably know the people interviewed.
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