Amazing..... no more standards at harvard.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by DJ Urbanovsky

Rap is no different than any other genre of music. You have your brilliant performers and you have your hacks. Personally, there are plenty of genres and sub-genres of music that I'm not into, but that doesn't mean that I'm not capable of recognizing brilliance in those genres when I hear it. Granted, I haven't heard Harvard kid's thesis album, so maybe it is complete garbage. I don't know. But what if it isn't?

Rap is not an art form but rather whining/ranting put to music.

So how brilliant is the art of walking on an American flag on the floor of an "art" museum?

https://artisticactivism.org/2012/04/dread-scott-2/

Sorry, some would say crapping in a toilet can be art, I disagree, crapping in a toilet is as artful as rap music.

And the "art activist" is nothing other than a political tool, but even he is too stupid to realize it.

[Peregrino]

Originally Posted by exsquid

I am no fan of rap music. However, despite my agreement with Keith Richards' sentiment, this was submitted for an English degree and not a music degree. I don't see the problem and agree with DJ's points.

x/S

Not only is Rap NOT music, it isn't (Modern Standard) English either. That Harvard would judge it worthy for the purposes of conferring an English degree proves to me the depraved, degraded state of "higher education" (especially liberal arts) and confirms the appropriateness of this thread's title.

[sinjefe]

Today's Universities are finishing schools for the "elites" nothing more (http://www.theamericanconservative.c...ual-hysterics/). Resist them by not giving them your money.

[bblhead672]

Add "C" to beginning of the word rap and you have apt description of what it is.

[DJ Urbanovsky]

Maybe if the guitarist who said that were Robert Fripp, Adrian Belew, Steve Howe, Frank Zappa, Tony Iommi, or Alex Lifeson, I would give that statement some credence. But it's Keith Richards we're talking about. As a player, I think he's pedestrian at best compared to the guys I just mentioned. For a guitarist who touts himself as a non-flashy rhythm focused player to say that "rap is for tone deaf people" is, in my opinion, completely asinine, especially when one considers that the basis for rap music is meter/rhythm. And that individual percussion pieces are actually tuned to pitch. But that's just me. I've never understood the allure of the Stones. There were much better and far more groundbreaking bands born of that era.

Originally Posted by Billy L-bach

I did some on-line research and it appears that no, rap is NOT music.

Rolling Stones guitarist, Keith Richards has declared that rap is for tone deaf people.
Keith Richards commenting on music is simply, well...
...its fact.

If Keith Richards comments on it and says it isn't music, then I am afraid it is settled. Climate change scientists would kill to have as much "statement as fact" credibility as Keith Richards.

"Rap — so many words, so little said. What rap did that was impressive was to show there are so many tone-deaf people out there. All they need is a drum beat and somebody yelling over it and they're happy. There’s an enormous market for people who can't tell one note from another."


Just to be fair, debate.org ran a poll and found out that rap is overwhelmingly NOT considered to be real music. Cheap sounding background beats, sampling other musicians, and talking sh*t does not music make

...if that isn't enough, there is also a post on facebook that says it is so:

xxxx://xxx.facebook.com/rap-isnt-music-its-annoying-people-complaining-to-a-fake-drum-beat-121169561245120/



Everything else from this point forward will be put in the same category as climate deniers.
That being said, Run DMC is still the MAD notes !!!


Respectfully submitted for review and discussion on this 25th day of May in the year of our Lord, 2017.

[DJ Urbanovsky]

As for rap being "annoying people complaining to a fake drum beat," I have two words that immediately render that argument invalid, and those two words are Death Grips. Meet their drummer, Zach Hill, one of the most impressive drummers still alive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zach_Hill

[DJ Urbanovsky]

I concur.

Originally Posted by sinjefe

Today's Universities are finishing schools for the "elites" nothing more (http://www.theamericanconservative.c...ual-hysterics/). Resist them by not giving them your money.

[DJ Urbanovsky]

Just because I don't agree with it, wouldn't do it myself, or find it to be highly offensive does not mean that it isn't art. Art should make the viewer feel something. The fact that I'm not into the Stones and I find their music to be trivial, boring pop bubblegum doesn't make them not artists who are very good at what they do. Art takes all shapes and sizes. And guess what? They made me feel something. It just happens that the feeling that the Stones engender in me is ambivalence.

I have very strong feelings about our flag and how it should be treated and displayed. That said, I pose this question: Which is more disrespectful, an artist trying to make statement by forcing the viewer to physically step on our flag, or politicians in the beltway who metaphorically step on our flag, day in an day out, with every breath that they can muster?

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Rap is not an art form but rather whining/ranting put to music.

So how brilliant is the art of walking on an American flag on the floor of an "art" museum?

https://artisticactivism.org/2012/04/dread-scott-2/

Sorry, some would say crapping in a toilet can be art, I disagree, crapping in a toilet is as artful as rap music.

And the "art activist" is nothing other than a political tool, but even he is too stupid to realize it.

[Team Sergeant]

More liberal progressive art........ (Trigger warning, a nekid human, can't tell what gender)


https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=db3_1497200349

If this is where art is going I want nothing to do with it.

[DJ Urbanovsky]

You know what I think? I think that, while everyone here may not agree with each other or win other people over to our individual ways of thinking, it's a Sunday afternoon, and we're having a meaningful discussion about what constitutes art and music. And that is a thing that is both worthwhile and awesome, if you ask me.

[Flagg]

I've always considered art to be in the eye of the beholder.

I like looking at Jackson Pollock paintings, mainly because I'm trying(and failing) to understand how it's so much better than what my kids sprayed across a bit of paper.

The latest thing to catch my eye is sand mandala art. Tibetan Buddhist monks who make sand art grain of coloured sand by grain of coloured sand. Then they sweep it up and throw it in the closest moving body of water as a symbol of impermanence.

Prince(Rogers Nelson) was nothing short of a genius writing, producing, and performing across the entire spectrum. Although everything about Prince was sex rather than political statement. I reckon his work would be worthy of a degree.

I've heard the odd rap song that I genuinely enjoy, but it's the rare exception rather than the rule.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=obI2G5qj7VI

I'm a fan of this song, largely because it's from a great buddy cop film and the song my offsider and I would listen to while driving our soft skin vehicle in Afghan.

The lyrics are a bit black power revolution-y. But I perceive it as calling BS on the whole thing as well. But mostly it's memories of my Mate and I riding and sharing a laugh on the job.

But my personal tastes lean elsewhere.

I think part of the problem in the controversy is the subjective nature of it all.

I tend to put very little weight in a small number of subjective opinions, unless those opinions originate with those I know or respect.

One advantage few music lovers ever seem to discuss is the huge number of hidden musical treasures around the world, or in your own town's dive bar music scene.

I remember being absolutely mesmerised by a truly hypnotic song on the TV in a foreign hotel room. Simply beautiful.

And then the next day at a meal/function with foreign counterparts, one of the leaders got up and started singing, like a tortured cat.

Hard to find beauty in that, but there was certainly plenty of humour to go around!

Lately, I've been listening to Gordon Lightfoot, Sundown:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s8rR7E6NfY4

I feel like we could use a contemporary Vet who can write, sing, and play acoustic guitar right now.

[rsdengler]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

More liberal progressive art........ (Trigger warning, a nekid human, can't tell what gender)


https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=db3_1497200349

If this is where art is going I want nothing to do with it.

That "triggered" my gag reflex...... LOL, looks like "Jabba the Hut" with TP on his head...liberal progressive art....looks like someone needs to "flush" that down the toilet. I am a Claude Monet fan...

[Hand]

Originally Posted by DJ Urbanovsky

Which is more disrespectful, an artist trying to make statement by forcing the viewer to physically step on our flag, or politicians in the beltway who metaphorically step on our flag, day in an day out, with every breath that they can muster?

I would say the second. They sell our collective souls for personal advancement and financial gain.