04-14-2017, 09:54
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Originally Posted by bblhead672
Why did we wait so long to use MOAB on ISIS/AQ/name your raghead terror organization here?
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Silly wabbit!
Why didn't we nuke Tora Bora in December 2001?
Why are we still fighting cave dwelling Neanderthals in an area where it all should have ended more than 15-years ago?
Here's an answer to both questions. War is profitable - some people don't want it to end.
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04-14-2017, 11:26
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Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick
Here's an answer to both questions. War is profitable - some people don't want it to end.
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And that is indeed a sad fact. That being said it's paid for by the few and it is a very expensive price that is paid. RIP SSG Mark De Alencar
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04-14-2017, 13:00
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the locals' reaction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZlDct1EYRM
Anyone here with 3/3 Pashto OPI to verify the subtitles?
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04-14-2017, 15:12
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Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick
Silly wabbit!
Why didn't we nuke Tora Bora in December 2001?
Why are we still fighting cave dwelling Neanderthals in an area where it all should have ended more than 15-years ago?
Here's an answer to both questions. War is profitable - some people don't want it to end.
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Of course. And none of those people are in danger of dying due to endless war.
Since you brought up "should have ended more than 15-years ago", since I read the book "Horse Soldiers" I've wondered how accurate the book is on the Afgan war being pretty much under control by SF soldiers before all the generals and politicians got there and mucked it up?
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04-14-2017, 17:15
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Of course. And none of those people are in danger of dying due to endless war.
Since you brought up "should have ended more than 15-years ago", since I read the book "Horse Soldiers" I've wondered how accurate the book is on the Afgan war being pretty much under control by SF soldiers before all the generals and politicians got there and mucked it up?
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Well, you just explained it right there...I venture to say politicians more that Gen's, but both.
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04-14-2017, 20:08
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Overall strategerie.
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Originally Posted by former Obamite, now at Harvard, on Iran
If we can catch them cheating we have much stronger rationale for using the military. We can say we tried the diplomatic approach, it gives you a stronger argument for using the military.”
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"If?" But... but... all those rigorous & multi-lateral inspection regimes!
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Originally Posted by former long-time Foggy Bottom's Up wanker Anthony Blinken
“Imagine what Syria would look like without that deal,” former Deputy Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken said to the Times. “It would be awash in chemical weapons, which would fall into the hands of ISIS, Al Nusra or other groups.”
Blinken said that the Obama administration was not blind to the Syrian government’s deceptive ways.
“We always knew we had not gotten everything,” he said, “that the Syrians had not been fully forthcoming in their declaration.”
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But... but... Hillary said!
Source article.
You can always tell when they're lying 'cause their lips are moving.
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04-15-2017, 18:55
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04-16-2017, 06:07
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Originally Posted by bblhead672
Of course. And none of those people are in danger of dying due to endless war.
Since you brought up "should have ended more than 15-years ago", since I read the book "Horse Soldiers" I've wondered how accurate the book is on the Afgan war being pretty much under control by SF soldiers before all the generals and politicians got there and mucked it up?
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I had read once that South Vietnam was completely under control by the south against the Vietcong because of Special Forces. It was when they escalated and brought in conventional troops that Ho Chi Minh committed the north and everything went down hill.
I saw so much assclownery when I worked with conventional forces. They really thought they could do UW/FID (or if you will nation building in an unconventional way) and their commanders would have jirgas completely shaved with their helmets on. It was embarrassing.
This is a broken record that has played itself many times. The conventional military drools at the thought of justifying its budget!
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04-16-2017, 08:55
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I had read once that South Vietnam was completely under control by the south against the Vietcong because of Special Forces. It was when they escalated and brought in conventional troops that Ho Chi Minh committed the north and everything went down hill.
I saw so much assclownery when I worked with conventional forces. They really thought they could do UW/FID (or if you will nation building in an unconventional way) and their commanders would have jirgas completely shaved with their helmets on. It was embarrassing.
This is a broken record that has played itself many times. The conventional military drools at the thought of justifying its budget!
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Almost alarming that just last night my wife's friends stopped by. I was talking about this current conflict with a Vietnam era Marine when he mentioned the USS Maddox incident and how because of that incident Lyndon B. Johnson ordered the rapid deployment and expansion into the war. The rest they say is history. There is also a lot of hidden history between bedfellows and connections to LBJ from Bell Textron, Martin Marietta and others to indicate that hundreds of billions of dollars were meant to be made by the MIC if escalating the war was somehow possible. Well, it was possible, although it was a lie...
Gulf Of Tonkin Incident: http://www.historynet.com/case-close...n-incident.htm
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05-09-2017, 16:36
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Glad to see the "Daisy Cutter" grew up to a modern form... And Bblhead, you are spot on-- When I first got to Group, there was ONE SF General. And he wasn't SF Qualified, he awarded himself the tab. (Was an MP General, Scaff was his name, I think. If not one of you fellas may know it.) Whence retired, think there was something like 80+ SF Generals. We had a payday formation in the early 90s and for fun I asked 20 some guys, including Os, to explain our Chain of Command above Group level. Not a single one could. USASOC, USAFIC, JSOC, JOSOC, SOCEUR, SOCCENT, DIRTYSOC, SOCINTHENOSE.... seems we had more HQs than ODAs.
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05-10-2017, 11:35
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Looks kinda like we turned an area consisting of rocks and straggly trees into rocks and straggly trees. 
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05-10-2017, 20:05
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Glad to see the "Daisy Cutter" grew up to a modern form... And Bblhead, you are spot on-- When I first got to Group, there was ONE SF General. And he wasn't SF Qualified, he awarded himself the tab. (Was an MP General, Scaff was his name, I think. If not one of you fellas may know it.) Whence retired, think there was something like 80+ SF Generals. We had a payday formation in the early 90s and for fun I asked 20 some guys, including Os, to explain our Chain of Command above Group level. Not a single one could. USASOC, USAFIC, JSOC, JOSOC, SOCEUR, SOCCENT, DIRTYSOC, SOCINTHENOSE.... seems we had more HQs than ODAs.
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No, the 1st SOCOM CG was MG Leroy Suddath, 1984-87 or so.
Jim Guest was later.
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05-13-2017, 19:55
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You are correct, Scaff was our post commander. Sudden-death was the SF General.
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