06-14-2016, 19:13
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Based on what I've read and what we were taught, there is no more waiting for the perp to continue killing people. Much of this is based on the events at Columbine, Aurora, LAX, and several others. Would the outcome have been any different at Beslan or if a similar thing occurred here and fire teams made immediate entry? I guess the bad guys could go ahead and blow it up, but they may do it anyway and there is no bargaining with these assholes, either.
This may not be a fair or accurate comparison, but not making immediate entry by PD because there could be devices would be like me not making entry into a structure because it's already on fire. We signed up knowing we could die and fires don't stop until they're extinguished and killers don't stop killing until a bullet puts them down.
They don't amount to much in such a situation, but these are my thoughts on it.
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06-14-2016, 22:13
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Originally Posted by TWITCHY
Based on what I've read and what we were taught, there is no more waiting for the perp to continue killing people. Much of this is based on the events at Columbine, Aurora, LAX, and several others. Would the outcome have been any different at Beslan or if a similar thing occurred here and fire teams made immediate entry? I guess the bad guys could go ahead and blow it up, but they may do it anyway and there is no bargaining with these assholes, either.
This may not be a fair or accurate comparison, but not making immediate entry by PD because there could be devices would be like me not making entry into a structure because it's already on fire. We signed up knowing we could die and fires don't stop until they're extinguished and killers don't stop killing until a bullet puts them down.
They don't amount to much in such a situation, but these are my thoughts on it.
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And you would be correct, when the shooting starts you go in, device or no device. Or you can sit and wait three hours and be called a chicken-shit.
This is why the American military gets paid the big bucks..(not). We kill when the light turns green and when you have islamic terrorists the only way to stop them is by putting them down.
Cops are cops, not warriors.
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06-14-2016, 22:17
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They knew who he was..... and this explains the farsi. (My first language was farsi....)
And this is the difference between Texas cops and Fla cops.
So far Texas is 3-0 vs. muslim terrorists!
Immigrant Mohammad Moghaddam Takes Hostages at Amarillo Walmart – Is Shot Dead by Police
Jim Hoft Jun 14th, 2016 6:15 pm —
Police have identified the suspect who opened fire at a Walmart store in Amarillo this afternoon as Mohammad Moghaddam, 54.
Mohammad Moghaddam, an immigrant, came to Amarillo with his family eight years ago from Iran.
Immigrant services from Amarillo would not discuss with reporters whether they helped relocate the family to the Amarillo area.
Police say Mohammad was upset he was passed over for a promotion so he took his manager and another person hostage.
He was shot dead by police.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016...t-dead-police/
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06-14-2016, 22:29
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I declare this an Honor Suicide, something that should be embraced by the Islamic diaspora. There's no need to take others with you to make your point. Your daughter wears make up and listens to Maroon 5? Kill yourself. Ash, housewares, beats you out for that promotion? Kill yourself. Statement made, and I applaud you for your restraint in your fanaticism.
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
They knew who he was..... and this explains the farsi. (My first language was farsi....)
And this is the difference between Texas cops and Fla cops.
So far Texas is 3-0 vs. muslim terrorists!
Immigrant Mohammad Moghaddam Takes Hostages at Amarillo Walmart – Is Shot Dead by Police
Jim Hoft Jun 14th, 2016 6:15 pm —
Police have identified the suspect who opened fire at a Walmart store in Amarillo this afternoon as Mohammad Moghaddam, 54.
Mohammad Moghaddam, an immigrant, came to Amarillo with his family eight years ago from Iran.
Immigrant services from Amarillo would not discuss with reporters whether they helped relocate the family to the Amarillo area.
Police say Mohammad was upset he was passed over for a promotion so he took his manager and another person hostage.
He was shot dead by police.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016...t-dead-police/
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06-15-2016, 07:13
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
Once shots are fired it's go time. Chicken-shit is chicken-shit plain and simple. Read up on "active shooter" responses.
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I will start reading about active shooter responses.
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06-15-2016, 08:23
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Originally Posted by TWITCHY
Based on what I've read and what we were taught, there is no more waiting for the perp to continue killing people. Much of this is based on the events at Columbine, Aurora, LAX, and several others.
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The biggest "Other" being the events of 9-11. Before that in this country at least planes got hijacked to take some dumbass to cuba or to try and get a payday... so the thought was to not resist. Now the thinking is different.
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06-15-2016, 08:42
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Originally Posted by Divemaster
I declare this an Honor Suicide, something that should be embraced by the Islamic diaspora. There's no need to take others with you to make your point. Your daughter wears make up and listens to Maroon 5? Kill yourself. Ash, housewares, beats you out for that promotion? Kill yourself. Statement made, and I applaud you for your restraint in your fanaticism.
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I agree completely. Brilliant!
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