50 Murdered in islamic terrorist attack Orlando, Fla

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by ddoering

You'd think that if he was rushed by 100 people he would have only gotten a few.

Was thinking the same thing, but these were not men he was killing.

That said, in order to take to a commanding position our muslim boy Mateen had to do some recon. My guess was he was gay and that conflicted with his islamic beliefs. I've no doubts he was in Pulse a few times before the shootings.

Are there no goats in Orlando?

[Old Dog New Trick]

I see nothing but overtime job security for police officers to make an extra buck and a business proposition for an entrepreneur to create an armed security company expressly for the purpose of protecting clubs, concerts, and public venues.

Obviously G4S security should be out of business shortly.

[Streck-Fu]

LET'S ROLL! has turned into "Let's Roll over...."

[Sohei]

IMO, the amount of people -- much less men -- who would have the presence of mind to assault someone while reloading in very low percentage wise. Not to mention, while he was reloading, many of them probably didn't have a clue as to why he wasn't firing because -- more than likely -- they have no idea how an AR works.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

I see nothing but overtime job security for police officers to make an extra buck and a business proposition for an entrepreneur to create an armed security company expressly for the purpose of protecting clubs, concerts, and public venues.

Obviously G4S security should be out of business shortly.

Lots of folks already doing that and it's an illusion of safety.
How hard would it be to take out the security and then start shooting?

Also, I see law suits, their safe space was breached and they were slaughtered. The club should have had armed guards.....etc.

There is no way to defend against this sort of crap in a free society, well, except remove the muslim population from our nation.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Agoge2

IMO, the amount of people -- much less men -- who would have the presence of mind to assault someone while reloading in very low percentage wise. Not to mention, while he was reloading, many of them probably didn't have a clue as to why he wasn't firing because -- more than likely -- they have no idea how an AR works.

I can reload an AR in under 3-seconds depending on how long I fumble for a magazine.

Chances are better that anyone lying on the floor were playing dead because we all know that works for bears and not gun man with three hours of time.

The police confronted him outside and when he returned inside all their "Active Shooter" training stopped. WTF over?

People bled to death while the SWAT team negotiated.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

I can reload an AR in under 3-seconds depending on how long I fumble for a magazine.

Chances are better that anyone lying on the floor were playing dead because we all know that works for bears and not gun man with three hours of time.

The police confronted him outside and when he returned inside all their "Active Shooter" training stopped. WTF over?
People bled to death while the SWAT team negotiated.

Yeah, I think active shooter response went right out the door........ Just like Columbine the police waited while the victims bled out. Police are not warriors and no ones going to fault them for being scared shitless. I think they're done crossing that thin blue line.

Remember the criminal crazy and crusader? You can negotiate with a criminal, and maybe a crazy, but not a crusader.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Lots of folks already doing that and it's an illusion of safety.
How hard would it be to take out the security and then start shooting?

Also, I see law suits, their safe space was breached and they were slaughtered. The club should have had armed guards.....etc.

There is no way to defend against this sort of crap in a free society, well, except remove the muslim population from our nation.

I'm not saying they have to be overt. In fact better that they aren't even visible. One, two or more depending on the size of the event. Florida and several states have pretty lacks gun laws that would allow a capable force with more than handguns.

Kalifornia, NJ, NY, and Chicago and Connecticut your out of luck. Enter at your own risk, no one here to protect you.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

I'm not saying they have to be overt. In fact better that they aren't even visible. One, two or more depending on the size of the event.

A remotely fired gun would be nice. Cover your entire venue, not afraid of the bad guy and fires by manual joystick.

Want to bet when the IED's and mass shootings continue this makes it's way into the system.......

[ddoering]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

Are there no goats in Orlando?

Only Alan Grayson.

[nousdefions]

Originally Posted by Abu Jack

How the f*&k does one guy shoot over 100???!! This was the perfect sheeple target.

High Heels?

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Abu Jack

How the f*&k does one guy shoot over 100???!! This was the perfect sheeple target.

Remember the restroom picture taking during the LAX shooting a few years back? That's how!

Sheep waiting to be slaughtered!

But how do you miss in such a target rich environment. Only 49 killed, 53 injured, out of 300+ in a confined place. Some will have been suffocated others trampled to death.

Sounds a bit like Aurora Movie theater and that media failed to report most deaths occurred as a result of 30-caliber pellets fired from a shotgun, others .40-cal handgun and most of the injured had been shot with .223-caliber bullets. Those that died from .223 were hit in vital organs or head.

I will be waiting for the AAR and how many are victims of police fire. (It may take several years for the report I suspect.)

[Old Dog New Trick]

The FBI can't pedal that bicycle backwards fast enough.

Kinda sad watching them. Especially after San Bernardino.

[abc_123]

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick

Remember the restroom picture taking during the LAX shooting a few years back? That's how!

Sheep waiting to be slaughtered!

But how do you miss in such a target rich environment. Only 49 killed, 53 injured, out of 300+ in a confined place. Some will have been suffocated others trampled to death.

Sounds a bit like Aurora Movie theater and that media failed to report most deaths occurred as a result of 30-caliber pellets fired from a shotgun, others .40-cal handgun and most of the injured had been shot with .223-caliber bullets. Those that died from .223 were hit in vital organs or head.

I will be waiting for the AAR and how many are victims of police fire. (It may take several years for the report I suspect.)

I try and stay pretty well informed, but I have never read / heard those details on Aurora. I guess that proves your point.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by abc_123

I try and stay pretty well informed, but I have never read / heard those details on Aurora. I guess that proves your point.

I should add that IIRC his AR failed him early into the rampage due to his 100rnd magazine and only fired something like 35-42 times before it stopped working all together and he dropped it in favor of the 40cal pistol. He unleashed hell with seven to eight "00" buckshot rounds before all that.

I'll see if I can find the report again. It was still muddy and seemed the coroners reporting on cause of death and the medical reports for those who survived GSW didn't seemingly point this out. (Conveniently lost in translation)

Too much media spin was generated to ban ARs, high capacity mags, and Internet sales of military paraphernalia on-line to worry about reporting the truth.

But maybe my sources are wrong. I'll admit I haven't seen anything as detailed since Sandy Hook and the Connecticut AAR justifying the response by State and Local police agencies.