12-04-2015, 17:53
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Guerrilla Chief
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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK
Does anyone use a shoulder holster??
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I have two of them, but they don't stay concealed very well. 9 times out of 10 I am unbuttoning the jacket when I sit down and then you have a pistol and mags staring at you if you're across the table. I'd probably go with a chest band and breakaway shirt before I'd use those again.
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12-04-2015, 18:56
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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I can't speak to smart carry holsters, but I have used Thunderwear for years and I've never had to adjust the pistol. It stays secure.
I've found Thunderwear to be the most comfortable means of IWB carry for me.
I used to carry a Glock 23 in the front right pocket, two spare full sized magazines in the front left pocket, and in the rear pocket I carried a small keyring sized OC spray, a short ASP baton, and a tactical flashlight. I never had anyone notice that I am aware of.
The holster gives pretty good groin protection as well. It isn't quite as protective as a cup, but it comes close.
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12-04-2015, 23:24
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Originally Posted by (1VB)compforce
Crossbreed SuperTuck - I haven't used this in forever. For us shorter people, the top edge of the backing digs into the bottom of your ribs. Sitting, the holster sticks out at the top. It's also insanely long. You've seen what my waist looks like (36"). This wraps all the way from 1:00 to 6:00 on me with the gun at 4:00.
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How old is your Crossbreed? I'm also a less tall guy and wear mine with a USPc .45 all the time. I assume that it does push against my ribcage, but I've never noticed it. As to length, I carry at 3:00 canted forward a bit and the clips are at roughly 2:00 to 4:00.
As to wearing it with a Suit and Tie...what's that mean?  OK, I recently tucked it with a t-shirt just to try it and it's fine. I could even fluff out the shirt at the waistline to help hide it. A tucked in t-shirt looks funny, but a dress shirt would be fine.
And as ABC_123 said, it's extremely comfortable.
ETA: I just measured mine and the waistband length is 8 1/2".
Pat
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12-05-2015, 06:08
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Originally Posted by PSM
How old is your Crossbreed? I'm also a less tall guy and wear mine with a USPc .45 all the time. I assume that it does push against my ribcage, but I've never noticed it. As to length, I carry at 3:00 canted forward a bit and the clips are at roughly 2:00 to 4:00.
As to wearing it with a Suit and Tie...what's that mean?  OK, I recently tucked it with a t-shirt just to try it and it's fine. I could even fluff out the shirt at the waistline to help hide it. A tucked in t-shirt looks funny, but a dress shirt would be fine.
And as ABC_123 said, it's extremely comfortable.
ETA: I just measured mine and the waistband length is 8 1/2".
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Mine is from somewhere in the mid 2000's, maybe '06 or '07. I may have an earlier model. I'll see if I can find it and post a pic.
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12-05-2015, 07:13
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Little comparison
Smartcarry vs Thunderwear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjhiheFmVO0
Smartcarry vs TactiPac Elite Deep Concealed Carry Holster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BDtMSwsaR0
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12-05-2015, 07:42
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Stealthgear
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
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As hot as it gets in Arizona, if you're considering a SuperTuck, you may want to look at the Stealthgear Onyx IWB. The back piece is a multi-layer, vented, padded, ballistic nylon. They're more expensive than the SuperTuck or the Alien, but have a 30 day "send it back if you don't like it" deal. If it doesn't work for you, you don't end up with a holster for the holster box.
The Onyx comes with steel belt clips. If you end up liking the holster, but don't like steel clips, they have a kydex "j" clip replacements.
Stealthgear Gallery
(Have one, no affiliation with the company)
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12-05-2015, 08:08
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Originally Posted by abc_123
I have the crossbreed AND the smartcarry to fit a Taurus PT145 Millennium Pro (.45) (hey, I'm cheap. What can I say?)
The Crossbreed isn't pretty but it is no-shit comfortable.
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That's what I'm looking for, comfort. I have a dozen Kramer holsters and a couple of Kramer IWB but they are "narrow" compared to the Crossbreed style holster.
I'm going to narrow my search to the N82 Tactical and the Crossbreed style holsters. I think bigger is the way to go for comfort.
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12-05-2015, 09:24
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Originally Posted by I am Al
As hot as it gets in Arizona, if you're considering a SuperTuck, you may want to look at the Stealthgear Onyx IWB. The back piece is a multi-layer, vented, padded, ballistic nylon. They're more expensive than the SuperTuck or the Alien, but have a 30 day "send it back if you don't like it" deal. If it doesn't work for you, you don't end up with a holster for the holster box.
The Onyx comes with steel belt clips. If you end up liking the holster, but don't like steel clips, they have a kydex "j" clip replacements.
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I've been running a StealthGear for a G19 since they gave 22% off to raise awareness for Veteran Suicides a month or so ago, and like it a lot. I also had both a CrossBreed and an Alien Gear. I gave both away...the CrossBreed never quit squeaking after months...and the corners of the Alien Gear kept rolling up. I like the holster enough that I have ordered a mag carrier to see how that works.
I would think in the Arizona heat the Stealthgear ventilation would work well.
It not tuckable, but you can pick up some J-hooks or a sheet of kydex and make some the depth you want.
I also tried one of these (snagmag dot com) for the G19's double stack mag...didn't really do it for me, but I think for a single stack mag would work great.
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12-05-2015, 14:17
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12-05-2015, 14:45
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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK
SnagMag video
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Interesting idea. Kind of light in the HK department, though.
Pat
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12-05-2015, 18:11
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Mag Carrier
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Originally Posted by JJ_BPK
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That Safariland looks pretty good and at a very good price point. I'm going to order one to try out.
SnagMag appears to have some solid design features as well.
Anything that securely holds the magazine and minimizes the printing is good.
Thanks
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12-05-2015, 18:38
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CrossBread
The majority of the time for work its concealed. I found the CrossBread to be very comfortable. They make two different cuts, so while one stated how it rides and digs, in my experience (I'm on my second set, one for Glock and Sig), I changed from the standard cut to the combat cut, and that helped. As with anything, the draw has to be worked a bit and continued after the holster gets really nice and broken in (it really molded to my hip at that point).
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12-07-2015, 14:53
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Haven't checked out a Crossbreed yet.
Checked out an Alien...
I'm using a Galco Stow 'n' Go right now, and you can forget about reholstering "easy". Plus, the front sight is right up against the leather.
I got a Kramer #3 in the shopping cart, but I just might go ahead and buy a Comp-Tac initially.
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12-07-2015, 17:17
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I can't comment on the Smart Carry since I haven't used one.
However, I really like Crossbreeds. I've had 4 of them for different weapons and I can conceal a full sized pistol with one. To break it in I get the leather wet and wear until dry. The combat cut is recommended.
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12-07-2015, 17:21
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
That's what I'm looking for, comfort. I have a dozen Kramer holsters and a couple of Kramer IWB but they are "narrow" compared to the Crossbreed style holster.
I'm going to narrow my search to the N82 Tactical and the Crossbreed style holsters. I think bigger is the way to go for comfort.
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Can't personally comment on the Crossbreed but have a friend with one and the comfort level is as described previously. He's older than I am being in his late vs. early-60's and he knew enough to know that folks with an uncomfortable carry solution don't have a solution at all if it makes them even contemplate not doing so. He doesn't regret the Crossbreed at all.
I recently went from a long-time appendix thing from Comp-Tac that I'd installed a J-hook on to replace the standard clip. The last 3 years of my mil/DAC careers I was doing more office than field work and put on some slight girth I didn't care for. So a full-size gun "drooping" because of the J-hook wasn't an issue. Now that I'm retired and actually more active I'm back down to fighting weight & that issue reared its head. I've gone back to another one I had similar to the Crossbreed that distributes the attachment points using leather & regular hooks.
Huge improvement in comfort & the gun doesn't shift at all. There is a very slight difference in cant angle from traditional AC but nothing that doesn't occur in normal movement and the hand finds the gun regardless. You're not someone I'd suspect of having a bunch of girth to push against a belt so standard clips should be fine & actually work better with a full-size.
Tiny bit more cumbersome to put on in the morning but these things seem to become muscle memory like filling our pockets; non-issue. I'm convinced that the hybrid (molded w/leather & 2 attachment points) really works well for a variety of situations. If I were shopping now I'd go Crossbreed in a f'instant. While I have a couple of little things for special occasions, the smallest thing I normally have is a G19 so comfort but with solid performance matters.
Just my $.002 & wishing you luck.
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