Defense Secretary to Open All Combat Jobs to Women

[Bechorg]

Absolutely cannot believe the cherry picking and pandering that has gone on in this decision process. No one has the balls to stand up to senior leadership because of career progression.

"I am aware that gender integrated teams will be less effective than all males, but I am going to go ahead and do it anyway".

The RAND study results should be published. Every single comment. I would estimate that 95% of the responses would show integration to be a grave threat to the SFOD-A.

Many good soldiers will exit the military because of this decision. Put a woman on my ODA and see what happens. My wife has already said she will not have it, and I will seek other employment. In fact, in light of many other poor decisions and changes to SF, I would be showing myself the door now if I hadn't reenlisted a few years ago. Half my team is getting out.

[Old Dog New Trick]

Originally Posted by Dusty

LOL

Bring back the draft and see how fast that idea wilts.

Chelsea is young enough and old enough to register for selective service and the draft. As well as many feminists who think this is a good idea. It's already been proven in the most recent rounds that mothers of young children are not exempt and can and will deploy with their units.

With the coming war it's time to fill the trough with fresh bodies.

Yep, glad I'm out.

[abc_123]

Originally Posted by Bechorg

Absolutely cannot believe the cherry picking and pandering that has gone on in this decision process. No one has the balls to stand up to senior leadership because of career progression.

"I am aware that gender integrated teams will be less effective than all males, but I am going to go ahead and do it anyway".

The RAND study results should be published. Every single comment. I would estimate that 95% of the responses would show integration to be a grave threat to the SFOD-A.

Many good soldiers will exit the military because of this decision. Put a woman on my ODA and see what happens. My wife has already said she will not have it, and I will seek other employment. In fact, in light of many other poor decisions and changes to SF, I would be showing myself the door now if I hadn't reenlisted a few years ago. Half my team is getting out.

Yes there will be some that leave, but many with experience will stay if close enough to retirement. Enough to keep things going, while waiting for the next leadership change that everyone hopes will be "better".

There will be no sudden and wholesale collapse. Just a change to something different. Different and less effectve and more expensive. And then there more and more people who remember less and less of when it was any different.

I think it's called, "progress".

[Utah Bob]

Originally Posted by abc_123

Yes there will be some that leave, but many with experience will stay if close enough to retirement. Enough to keep things going, while waiting for the next leadership change that everyone hopes will be "better".

There will be no sudden and wholesale collapse. Just a change to something different. Different and less effectve and more expensive. And then there more and more people who remember less and less of when it was any different.

I think it's called, "progress".

And then the enemy will be at the gates. And it'll be too late.

[Chairborne64]

So good, now we can get rid of the female PT standard. We are all equal now. That will get rid of about 85% of the current serving females. Oh wait, I forgot, equal but allowed "special" standards, how stupid of me.

[bailaviborita]

My contacts at the 5 sided nut-house tell me that this is just "the beginning." Look for transsexuals next, an attack on all our so-called "time-tested" standards, mandatory anti-cis-gendered sensitivity training, and ending the "White male hetero-advantage of the combat arms and special operations forces.

I thought they were joking- but:

- the transsexual agenda is at the top of the advocates next effort and is being currently reviewed by DoD.
- the standards have been attacked from the get-go. Its no coincidence that at exactly 1100 HRS today the phones started ringing asking for all of our metrics "proving" that our standards are connected to actual mission requirements. I can attest to the fact that our "proof" that 6 pullups is a requirement for combat is WEAK--- (it is intuitive, it is impossible to "prove" junk like this quantitatively like a physics experiment, and- at the end of the day- if you've got a guy who can do 5, but is above-average on everything else, he'll do...).
- the sensitivity nut-jobs are already out in force. Military Review is going to have an issue next year on how terrible the homosexuals are being treated in combat arms and how they aren't being made to feel like they fit in. The solution? Change the culture of combat arms to be anti-hetero-normative... There will be awards for those who can display they exist all over the "gender spectrum" and extra re-education- I mean counseling- for those who display cis-genderedness. I wish I was making this stuff up...
- The old studies and task forces of the past that looked into fixing the lack of minorities in combat arms and Special Ops will come back with a vengeance- but now it will be mostly female and homosexual-focused.

Make no mistake- fundamental change is the goal and they aren't done yet...

[Trapper John]

Originally Posted by bailaviborita

My contacts at the 5 sided nut-house tell me that this is just "the beginning." Look for transsexuals next, an attack on all our so-called "time-tested" standards, mandatory anti-cis-gendered sensitivity training, and ending the "White male hetero-advantage of the combat arms and special operations forces.

I thought they were joking- but:

- the transsexual agenda is at the top of the advocates next effort and is being currently reviewed by DoD.
- the standards have been attacked from the get-go. Its no coincidence that at exactly 1100 HRS today the phones started ringing asking for all of our metrics "proving" that our standards are connected to actual mission requirements. I can attest to the fact that our "proof" that 6 pullups is a requirement for combat is WEAK--- (it is intuitive, it is impossible to "prove" junk like this quantitatively like a physics experiment, and- at the end of the day- if you've got a guy who can do 5, but is above-average on everything else, he'll do...).
- the sensitivity nut-jobs are already out in force. Military Review is going to have an issue next year on how terrible the homosexuals are being treated in combat arms and how they aren't being made to feel like they fit in. The solution? Change the culture of combat arms to be anti-hetero-normative... There will be awards for those who can display they exist all over the "gender spectrum" and extra re-education- I mean counseling- for those who display cis-genderedness. I wish I was making this stuff up...
- The old studies and task forces of the past that looked into fixing the lack of minorities in combat arms and Special Ops will come back with a vengeance- but now it will be mostly female and homosexual-focused.

Make no mistake- fundamental change is the goal and they aren't done yet...

This is probably something worthy of drawing a line. My response to all of this would be quite simply - "I will agree and support these initiatives whole-heartedly if it can be shown how any of this social engineering enhances our readiness and capabilities as a war fighting force. Otherwise, step aside!"

Do you think Dunsford would be up to the challenge and lead the charge to push back?

[VAV1500]

Disgusting, but I imagine the world will keep turning and this will probably sort itself out. I hope the cost for that sorting is not too high...


...On a completely unrelated note, who do I have to PM to get vetted around here?

[frostfire]

Originally Posted by Trapper John

This is probably something worthy of drawing a line. My response to all of this would be quite simply - "I will agree and support these initiatives whole-heartedly if it can be shown how any of this social engineering enhances our readiness and capabilities as a war fighting force. Otherwise, step aside!"

hmmm, considering some of US enemies right now fear getting riddled by bullets that come from a gun-toting, PMS-ing females and so on....perhaps "they" are just thinking outside the box. Heck, I'll volunteer to lead this feared all-female combat unit

[Trapper John]

Originally Posted by frostfire

hmmm, considering some of US enemies right now fear getting riddled by bullets that come from a gun-toting, PMS-ing females and so on....perhaps "they" are just thinking outside the box. Heck, I'll volunteer to lead this feared all-female combat unit

Is that a subtle admission that you're transgender?

[Oldrotorhead]

In support of this policy both Carter and Obama should make their security details comply with this policy. The security details must be at least 51% female, 20% black. You have until January to comply! Go!

[Mills]

Originally Posted by Bechorg

Absolutely cannot believe the cherry picking and pandering that has gone on in this decision process. No one has the balls to stand up to senior leadership because of career progression.

"I am aware that gender integrated teams will be less effective than all males, but I am going to go ahead and do it anyway".

The RAND study results should be published. Every single comment. I would estimate that 95% of the responses would show integration to be a grave threat to the SFOD-A.

Many good soldiers will exit the military because of this decision. Put a woman on my ODA and see what happens. My wife has already said she will not have it, and I will seek other employment. In fact, in light of many other poor decisions and changes to SF, I would be showing myself the door now if I hadn't reenlisted a few years ago. Half my team is getting out.

Wife gave me the same ultimatum.

God forbid that I spend more time throughout the year in close quarters with another female other than her.

Not to mention the overall social cultural change within the team. She wants me with meat eaters and people that will do anything to win and stay alive. Not people that are preoccupied with getting a piece of ass whilst deployed.

With that being said, is there any way that the results can be requested through the Freedom of Information Act? Or was it classified as Secret in order to avoid said request?

I love how in the video, the CSM clearly states that the survey was done.....

So what? He said nothing about results! That should tell you something there.

[Penn]

I have four daughters, I consider myself a modern man. The fairest way this liberal policy should be implemented is economically. Screening/Privilege, then race/economic should receive front line assignments, tip of the spear. Chelsea Clinton pulling point....

[Bechorg]

Originally Posted by Mills

Wife gave me the same ultimatum.

God forbid that I spend more time throughout the year in close quarters with another female other than her.

Not to mention the overall social cultural change within the team. She wants me with meat eaters and people that will do anything to win and stay alive. Not people that are preoccupied with getting a piece of ass whilst deployed.

With that being said, is there any way that the results can be requested through the Freedom of Information Act? Or was it classified as Secret in order to avoid said request?

I love how in the video, the CSM clearly states that the survey was done.....

So what? He said nothing about results! That should tell you something there.

The public needs to see the results of the surveys that were done by active team guys. They'd see the impact it would have on the families and understand exactly what it is we do on a daily basis. Whether they would give a damn or not is a different story. But we don't have much else as ammunition to push back.

What we need is 8000 green berets in formations across the country with media presence demanding a restriction be placed, but that's a pipe dream. We can't even get our commander to reflect our deep concerns.

[DanHeller88]

I have an old school Recon Marine that works for me currently. He told me back in the day they tried integrating women into his unit, telling them 3 women would be showing up the next morning. Apparently they dug a small hole the night before. When they showed up for formation and the 3 women were there, the whole unit tossed their jump wings in the hole and left for the day. Next day no more women.