11-17-2015, 08:17
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Originally Posted by Dusty
At this point, what difference does it make?
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It doesn't make any difference. Don't let American citizens into the Embassy but arrange to take in hordes fo refugee who have no skills and do nothing but drain our economy, have kids at rabbit-speed that automatically become citizens ...
I think i need to volunteer for that one-way mission to Mars... because I sure don't understand what we are doing down here.
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11-17-2015, 08:20
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Originally Posted by abc_123
It doesn't make any difference. Don't let American citizens into the Embassy but arrange to take in hordes fo refugee who have no skills and do nothing but drain our economy, have kids at rabbit-speed that automatically become citizens ...
I think i need to volunteer for that one-way mission to Mars... because I sure don't understand what we are doing down here.
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I was alluding to HilClint's remarks at the Benghazi investigation when asked to explain a similar lapse in duty.
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11-17-2015, 08:33
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Originally Posted by abc_123
Paris was experiencing a terrorist attack.
US citizens (one of them a pregnant woman) went to the US Embassy because they were afraid and wanted to be somewhere safe.
They got turned away from American territory.
Unless those facts change, the "rest of the story" is just noise.
Hey American citizens! "F- Off!" The government will protect itself. You? You're on your own!
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Were it so simple...but valid US passport holders have supported various Islamist group efforts over the last decade and women have been used in suicide attacks from such groups.
I'll wait to hear the whole story.
Richard
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11-17-2015, 09:09
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Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick
Now if...this pregnant couple had had Syrian passports in their possession they would have been sent to the infirmary, given a full check up and escorted to a waiting military transport plane with a fruit basket.
Anything wrong here?
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That's the sad freaking truth.
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11-17-2015, 09:19
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...and yet, valid passport holders that MIGHT be affiliated with bad guys get turned away while 10's of 1000's that have NO passport and NO stated loyalty to the USA that are known to be tainted with bad guys are being welcomed with open arms?
so...
I am to believe that we should believe that the government can properly vet all of these so called "refugees" but for US citizens abroad, the vetting process is a bridge too far?
"sorry ma'am, we need to screen your passport and we just can't get it done with this equipment. You're going to have to wait outside...
...hey Farouk, that's a nice briefcase clock you have there, come on in."
I am going to go ahead and lean heavily on my bullshit horn on that one...
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11-17-2015, 09:27
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Originally Posted by Richard
Were it so simple...but valid US passport holders have supported various Islamist group efforts over the last decade and women have been used in suicide attacks from such groups.
I'll wait to hear the whole story.
Richard
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That's kinda like me with Benghazi.
Still haven't heard the whole story...
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11-17-2015, 09:32
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That's kinda like me with Benghazi.
Still haven't heard the whole story...
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One possible scenario is that in-extremis force couldn't deploy because the embassy wasn't finished vetting their passports...
...you know, since service members have supported various Islamic groups over the last decade
"Now you know the REST of the story...
...good day"
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11-17-2015, 10:12
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You'd figure Embassy complex Paris had a few LN security guards at the entrances, metal detectors in hand etc, probably a cozy couch inside for a pregnant woman to take a load off while shit storm outside was brewing? I thought embassies were designed to be welcoming? I'm sure the RSO had his hands full at that moment, but still...
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11-17-2015, 11:48
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I'd like to think as Richard wrote there is more to this,
Plan B, under those circumstances, maybe head for the Canadian Embassy, they saved our people in Tehran?
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11-17-2015, 11:55
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From the DOS web page.
"Not sure what an Embassy really is? Well, it’s not just another building full of bureaucrats. In many ways, the U.S. Embassy is your 911 when overseas. Whether you’ve lost your passport, need to evacuate the country, or someone back in the U.S. needs to get in touch with you, the U.S. Embassy is your point of contact for assistance in many different situations. During a natural disaster, political upheaval, or other emergency, consular officers assist American citizens with transportation, evacuation, and in keeping them safe. This is just one of the many reasons that we encourage you to register your trip before you depart."
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The only time I was ever in an American Embassy that was not full of liberal, white knuckle, pillow biting bureaucrats was while in Kuwait City, 1991. We could not find a single one! 
And we sure as hell would not have ever turned away a frightened American. 
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11-17-2015, 11:58
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Originally Posted by akv
I'd like to think as Richard wrote there is more to this,
Plan B, under those circumstances, maybe head for the Canadian Embassy, they saved our people in Tehran?
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Agree...there is usually "more."
But, effectively US citizens were reportedly turned away in a crisis.
The burden is on the government to provide the "more..."
...I realize they may need more time to find that damn YouTube video.
Agree, in hindsight the Canadiens may have been a better option...even a plan B...that speaks f:$&king volumes.
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11-17-2015, 12:08
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Really?
I agree that there may have a memo/SOP/general orders etc dealing with protection of the embassy. But I think this is akin to the "I was only following orders" defense. Assuming there was no mass protest or other crowd close enough and large enough to overpower the sentry. Two Americans needing protection or they would not be there. I think a general examination of documents and pat down and call for the sergeant of the guard would at least gotten them off the street.
I think that there should be room for responsible initiative. If not my solution, then some other creative, field expedient solution.
Not there, under the gun. Will not second guess, but would certainly address the issue with higher powers if they would want this type of event to be reevaluated.
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11-17-2015, 12:35
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Unless those facts change, the "rest of the story" is just noise.
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Considering what's on their own website, I would have to agree.
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11-19-2015, 00:07
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State Dept. clarifying the situation in 140 characters or less:
Travel - State Dept @TravelGov Nov 16
.@TopherConner US Embassies offer emergency services to US cits in times of crisis, in general, we dont offer shelter to US cits (1/3)
American in an emergency? Go away, we've already got one.
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11-19-2015, 04:01
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
The only time I was ever in an American Embassy that was not full of liberal, white knuckle, pillow biting bureaucrats was while in Kuwait City, 1991. We could not find a single one!
And we sure as hell would not have ever turned away a frightened American. |
The good ol' days.
They'll come back around soon...
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