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Old 04-11-2016, 16:52   #16
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An interesting perspective on "affordable housing:"

Thomas Sowell - Affordable Housing Fallacies

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bbPYedkDU8Y
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Old 04-13-2016, 23:38   #17
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Again, so what? 30% of my income and 30% of my daughters income are radically different. What is affordable to me is not affordable to her.
My previous post on this topic addresses this question. What specifically defines "affordable" in a geographic area is determined by calculating the area median income (AMI) within that area. The attached provides the calculations for counties in California for 2015.
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When politicians talk about making housing "affordable", they are not expecting any critical thought as to what that means.
The projects I've worked on that are related to affordable housing developments suggest otherwise. A handful of forward leaning municipalities are looking long and hard at their standard answers to the age old question: how much parking is enough parking?
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And then the existence of 'affordable housing' in a development suppresses the values of the rest of the units because those that can afford the primary residences don't want to share or be co-located with 'affordable' tenets.
Do you have verifiable examples of multi-family developments that failed due to the specific dynamic you describe? By verifiable I mean the names of development companies, projects, and points of contact in municipal planning/urban/economic development departments?
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Old 04-14-2016, 07:26   #18
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Interesting insights in all the posts.

There are a lot of pressures on housing that didn't exist in the past...like many things in the world we face today. On the front end is it an asset or a liability, with the average family occupying a home for 13 years and in their jobs an average 4.4 years, what once was an asset can easily become a liability. Increased regulations, costs, taxes, etc.... make for more external pressures than perhaps many assume. On the back end those regulations have been written by government regulators, bankers, realtors, politicians, the industry, etc... what could possibly go wrong?
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Goldman Sachs settlement: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...e24561376.html
This American Life: Audio: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radi...405/transcript
ADA abuse: San Francisco coffee shop targeted by frivolous ADA lawsuit « Faces of Lawsuit Abuse

The conversation about affordable housing historically is a story of economic disparity which comes to a head when worker housing becomes the issue. I have seen many creative solutions to creating that housing but only to a mitigating affect. Our bed room communities continue to grow outwardly in vibrant communities changing the textures of those areas into something else.

Gutting the middle class, more taken from every dollar, allowing illegal immigration ( a large component of worker housing) and it's affect, increased tax pressures, poorly planned community and over burdened infrastructures are just some of the reasons why I question whether a model of expansion and increased returns is viable. Complex and yet basic problems with some pretty practical solutions which, I imagine, would be easier to tackle if we weren't so politically divided. I am convinced a sustainability model is a better long term approach for something that is relevant and will protect the virtues of the communities we chose to move to, perhaps inspiring others into the same approach. Above all this needs to be done in a fiscal manner, if the budget or grants aren't there......the project isn't there either. Priorities are good as long as they fit into a comprehensive budget.

Sigba I realize you are trying to inform us of a regulation but Sinjefe is correct at the most basic of levels.....which is the level that matters most to a home owner or buyer.

If one gets a chance the green highlighted Audio is worth a listen to understand how the government connection can be so broken. The mentioned audio highlights some causation of the housing crash and reasons for it's extent. Sadly I'm not sure much has changed regarding those regulations.
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Old 04-14-2016, 08:05   #19
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I always viewed these kind of problems as an incentive to work harder, become better educated and improve my financial situation. I have never said or felt that anyone owes me anything.
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Old 04-14-2016, 09:05   #20
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I always viewed these kind of problems as an incentive to work harder, become better educated and improve my financial situation. I have never said or felt that anyone owes me anything.
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Old 04-14-2016, 14:39   #21
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I always viewed these kind of problems as an incentive to work harder, become better educated and improve my financial situation. I have never said or felt that anyone owes me anything.
That's because you are old school. New school is all about fairness.
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I always viewed these kind of problems as an incentive to work harder, become better educated and improve my financial situation. I have never said or felt that anyone owes me anything.
You unrepentant, self-sufficient capitalist oppressor of the lazy-faire proletariat!
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Old 04-15-2016, 10:48   #24
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Burney and Trump have it right.....NAFTA and China getting free duty rates on most of their imports is killing the middle class jobs.


My suggestion to enable more people to afford houses is to put a halt to NAFT and increase tariff rates on China imports so that decent good paying jobs come back for the U.S. workers.
EXACTLY Dean! Ross Perot warned of this when he ran 3rd Party: NAFTA will create a "giant sucking sound coming out of Detroit."

I am thinking that Bernie and Donald should run on 3rd party ticket. To invoke Ross Perot: That would create a giant sucking sound as voters evacuate the REPs and DEMs.
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We need a viable 3d party. The two we have now are rotten to the core.
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Affordable housing? Right!!! Just sold my townhouse to move into a condo
as in downsize. Monthly payment is less but ALL the fee, taxes, transfer costs
eat up equity I made quickly. Rent would be 1/3 more than I spend now.
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Affordable housing? Right!!! Just sold my townhouse to move into a condo
as in downsize. Monthly payment is less but ALL the fee, taxes, transfer costs
eat up equity I made quickly. Rent would be 1/3 more than I spend now.
You were able to buy it, so how is it not "affordable housing"?
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You were able to buy it, so how is it not "affordable housing"?
Yes, Good point. Better than rent anyday! Just complaining, rant over the other costs. I bought this townhouse 16 years ago as a FISBO.
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