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03-31-2015, 19:29
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Any move against The Falklands will be considered a move against the West, IMO. I doubt the Royals and American public will stand for that.
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After 15 years of war and the current situation in the Middle-East how much fight do you think the Royals and American public would muster?
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A lot has unfolded on the world stage since the fall of the USSR to cause people not to think that domination by any one power is desirable. Neither a world controlled by an oligarchy of Russians nor Americans. I also wouldn't expect to see the rise of a new Soviet Empire. Sorry I just don't see that. There are others that are far more expansive and invasive than the Russians but then I guess their designs are purely altruistic.
It simply appears that there are a lot of fights being picked but very little follow through and a lot of untidy loose ends
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Do they have to "Win" by just keeping us off balance they have the lead and control as long as we are reacting to their advances and trying to counter their moves. By increasing their influence especially in the western hemisphere and South America is a calculated plan. Cold war never ended.
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03-31-2015, 20:01
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History's only combat use of a nuclear attack submarine was in The Falkands when the General Belgrano was sunk by a British sub. The Kingdom has a stiff upper lip. I was on the USS Guadalcanal when we crossed English warships returning. We dipped our colors. England will not let this happen.
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03-31-2015, 21:53
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I worry about the bluster and brinkmanship we had post Carter.
It seems to me that Carter II has doubled-down so often there will be nothing short of Apocalypse that would be proportional...
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04-01-2015, 06:02
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...we should negotiate
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04-01-2015, 19:03
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History's only combat use of a nuclear attack submarine was in The Falkands when the General Belgrano was sunk by a British sub. The Kingdom has a stiff upper lip. I was on the USS Guadalcanal when we crossed English warships returning. We dipped our colors. England will not let this happen.
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While Britain may go to bat over the Falklands, I do not see much assistance coming from the United States. Any major operations by a Western Nation in South America will be used as a Rallying cry/propaganda of Western "Colonialism" for places like Venezuela, Bolivia and Argentina backed by Iran and Russia.
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04-01-2015, 19:59
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will be used as a Rallying cry/propaganda
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Why do we keep kowtowing to them!
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04-02-2015, 06:04
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UK was able to counter the last war in the Malvinas (Argentina's name for the Falklands) with our logistical and J2 support - I would be surprised if we merely sat by if such an event happened again.
The naval ops in the Falklands War (especially the anti-ship missiles) also had an impact on us, and led to a rethinking and reengineering of our naval vessel structural design.
I was TDY from the 7th SFG to CINCPAC J361 during that time and monitored the event from IPAC. Shortly after its conclusion, we worked with an SAS team who had been committed to the war. They were still recovering physically from the effects of the harshness of the environment found in those latitudes and had little good to say about the Argentine forces they encountered.
But so it goes...
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04-02-2015, 17:46
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UK was able to counter the last war in the Malvinas (Argentina's name for the Falklands) with our logistical and J2 support - I would be surprised if we merely sat by if such an event happened again.
The naval ops in the Falklands War (especially the anti-ship missiles) also had an impact on us, and led to a rethinking and reengineering of our naval vessel structural design.
I was TDY from the 7th SFG to CINCPAC J361 during that time and monitored the event from IPAC. Shortly after its conclusion, we worked with an SAS team who had been committed to the war. They were still recovering physically from the effects of the harshness of the environment found in those latitudes and had little good to say about the Argentine forces they encountered.
But so it goes...
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We studied the missile hit on HMS Sheffield and ineffectual low level bombing runs of the Argentinian Air Force against the British Amphibious group. The Exocet that hit Sheffield was sensor ID'ed by Sheffield (via NTDS) as "Friendly" (Nato missile) and overrides to bring CIWS online could not be implemented in time. The missile didn't detonate but the combination of residual missile fuel combined with the severing of critical equipment doomed the Sheffield. The air runs were at such low level that dumb bombs failed to arm via impellers and were nothing more than thrown stones.
I'm confident England has made note.
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04-02-2015, 20:58
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I would say that the British Navy no longer has the force structure to project the power they did before.
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04-03-2015, 05:46
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But Argentina is, in anything, in even worse shape, having undertaken little to no realistic military modernization since the Falklands War, and having virtually no recent experience in conducting even smaller-scale military operations.
And Argentina also has to keep an eye on a Chilean military which has significantly increased its combat power.
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04-03-2015, 10:08
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With the article about the possible sell most likely a gift from Russia of 12 A/C seems they are modernizing the force now. I see this slowly growing, Russia will station trainers and A/C there and add some other FID training to help modernize the forces of Argentina just slowly turning the heat up on the frog.
There is a article today
http://www.newsweek.com/2015/03/27/s...ns-314989.html
While the Soviet Union is no more, Russia today is just as dangerous if not more.
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One of the more poignant moments in my memory was coverage of the Gurkha Commander being denied the opportunity to take his men from the jagged rocks of the surrounding hills down into Port Stanley....
I don't recall seeing anyone more angry!
I have always respected the Chileans after that conflict 
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04-14-2015, 14:36
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Anybody with the slightest clue about Argentina's armed forces current strength would roll in the floor loughing hysterically about these invasion plans...
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04-14-2015, 20:50
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Anybody with the slightest clue about Argentina's armed forces current strength would roll in the floor loughing hysterically about these invasion plans...
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I've not delved into any of the South American militaries so I'll take you at your word. The fight we saw in the 80's was completely one sided.
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