03-21-2015, 22:30
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Army Special Operations Command pushes back against alarmist claims about upcoming exercise
By Jon Harper
Stars and Stripes
Published: March 21, 2015
http://www.stripes.com/news/us/army-...and+Stripes%29
WASHINGTON - U.S. Army Special Operations Command is pushing back against alarmist claims that an upcoming U.S. military exercise is a preparation for imposing martial law or subduing right-leaning groups and individuals.
Conspiracy theories about the exercise, known as JADE HELM 15, appeared online this week. Some commentators railing against the event referred to an online slide show allegedly created by USASOC, which outlined a special operations exercise slated to take place across multiple states, outside the confines of U.S. military bases. In the slide show, a map of the southwest region of the United States labels Texas and other territory as "hostile" or "insurgent pocket." The document also refers to coordination with law enforcement agencies.
Officials at USASOCM were not able to immediately verify the authenticity of the slide show because their computer firewalls prevented them from accessing the websites where the document appeared.
Army Lt. Col. Mark Lastoria, a USASOC spokesman, confirmed that there is an upcoming exercise called Jade Helm 15 which is scheduled to take place this summer at locations in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Colorado, California and Nevada. But he denied the event is preparation for some sort of military takeover.
"That notion was proposed by a few individuals who are unfamiliar with how and why USASOC conducts training exercises," he said in an email. "This exercise is routine training to maintain a high level of readiness for Army Special Operations Forces because they must be ready to support potential missions anywhere in the world on a moment's notice."
He said the only thing unique about this particular exercise, which is slated to take place between July 15 and Sept. 15, is "the use of new challenging terrain" which was chosen because it is similar to conditions special operations forces operate in overseas.
Lastoria said coordination with local law enforcement is necessary for safety reasons because some of the training will take place outside of military bases where civilian agencies have jurisdiction.
He said his office has been receiving a lot of calls from people who heard about the exercise and are concerned about "the nature of the training objectives."
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03-22-2015, 05:30
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Maybe they should have interviewed a few of the longtime Pinelanders, I would not want to invade Pineland if I were a hostile nation. Some of the residents have 50 years of experience.
Just a thought.
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03-22-2015, 07:31
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HELL..............Why don't They just do it in DC!!!!!..............But For Real!!!!
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03-22-2015, 07:51
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I guess nobody out there ever heard of or participated in the UW slice of all those CJCS exercises (Exotic Dancer, Ocean Venture, Brave Shield, Thermal Gale, Brim Frost, etc.) which took place all over the US - including AK, HI, and PR at various times - during my time in the service.
But what's the blogosphere without a daily conspiracy or two from its many bloviating ignoramuses to keep things stirred up out there - especially if it concerns fearsome black helicopters and bogeyman shadow governments seeking to usurp our civil liberties. 
And so it goes...
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03-22-2015, 08:01
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I have had multiple discussions with friends and family concerning these exercises. Family has known me for my entire life...many friends for 20+ years and yet even when I explain the purposes of the exercises...they still choose to believe what they want.
The fact is...many are willingly ignorant of the facts and choose to remain that way. They will believe what they want.
I can lead them...however, they simply won't drink....
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03-22-2015, 08:25
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Officials at USASOCM were not able to immediately verify the authenticity of the slide show because their computer firewalls prevented them from accessing the websites where the document appeared.
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Does anyone else find this amusing? 
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03-22-2015, 08:49
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USASOC and SWCS have their own social media websites, too, but you cannot access them from a USASOC computer.
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03-22-2015, 09:17
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Not to hijack a good rant, but that Op sounds like one that could be a fun time 
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03-22-2015, 10:19
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Not to hijack a good rant, but that Op sounds like one that could be a fun time |
It was pre-GO#1.  Seriously - these exercises have been going on since at least the 60s. The only thing different about this one is the scope and location. It's still pretty much another version of the ROBIN SAGE exercise SWCS runs for the SFQC. The difference is we're training units vice students. As for the tin-foil hat conspiracy crowd - God bless them. Agitators like Alex Jones and Co. couldn't make a living without them. Days like these make me wish I had ALCOA stock in my portfolio.
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03-22-2015, 11:06
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Jade Helm Alex Jones, you're an idiot
What Alex Jones does not realize is that the "Green Berets" are the cure for Oppression & Tyranny.
Here's a reality check for Alex Jones:
At any given moment there are approximately four thousand Green Berets on active duty, four thousand.
The combined law enforcement personnel of just two American cities, Los Angeles and New York, is approximately sixty four thousand (64,000). The number of American law enforcement officials number in the millions. Yet Alex Jones fears the Green Berets......
The Green Berets are the defenders of the Constitution of the United States, we are America's Spartans.
We are what keep corrupt foreign government officials, islamic terrorists, North Korean dictators etc awake at night. (I'm sure we keep some corrupt domestic officials awake too.)
We would defend this Nation, it's Constitution and it's People to our last breath.
And the Green Berets would NEVER take up arms against the Constitution or the People of the United States.
All others, beware.
There is only one American military force trained to overthrow oppressive governments, the Green Berets.
Stalin, Hitler, Mao would be patting Alex Jones on the back for his political views, and laughing their collective asses off at his ignorance.
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03-22-2015, 23:47
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The bolded part is the most important part. There is no time limit, it is not just for the term of your service. And the uninformed masses believe we're there to subjugate them.
Best estimate, 4000 SF Soldiers could only train an army of about 2 million in 3 years... maybe upwards of 4 million if former SF people came back on board. Assuming there were that many that actually had the wherewithal to stand up against the loss of their rights.
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03-23-2015, 07:18
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The bolded part is the most important part. There is no time limit, it is not just for the term of your service. And the uninformed masses believe we're there to subjugate them.
Best estimate, 4000 SF Soldiers could only train an army of about 2 million in 3 years... maybe upwards of 4 million if former SF people came back on board. Assuming there were that many that actually had the wherewithal to stand up against the loss of their rights.
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...that's why "returning veterans" are considered a domestic terror threat by the DHS and the rest of the current administration
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03-23-2015, 08:09
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OKAY for all you LEO people here. Why do LEA have to release so much information. Why can't it just be a message, newspaper article and News broadcast a couple days before the exercise is to kick off? Look at what SWC does with Robin Sage. I know it has been going on here for ever, but nothing like this slide show is released out. I feel to much is released.
1/3 SFG(A) had InforWars at our PMT in 2012 in SC. We talked about it here too. Alex Jones is a nut case. IMO likely just does it to make money like TS said. feeds off people's fears like "REV" Al Sharpton does.
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03-23-2015, 09:20
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Jade Helm Alex Jones, you're an idiot
If you consider who Alex Jones caters to you'd have little doubt that he employs the fear factor. Survivalists and preppers are already paranoid.
A few months worth of food fine, but 5 years? And if you think digging defensive positions on your property is a good idea, here's your tinfoil hat.
Alex Jones motivates through fear, well done comrade, Stalin & Mao would be proud.
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03-23-2015, 11:50
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These hyped-up doomsday preppers have forced me to up-grade one of my old berets.
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