FCC approves sweeping Internet regulation plan

[tonyz]

I'm sure Soros kicked in the dough so some poor schmuk on NPR got faster streaming video. Again, raise your hand if you believe the left is out to help the individual and not big government...

Soros, Ford Foundation shovel $196 million to 'net neutrality' groups, staff to White House

BY PAUL BEDARD | FEBRUARY 26, 2015 | 6:56 PM
WashingtonExaminer
Liberal philanthropist George Soros and the Ford Foundation have lavished groups supporting the administration’s “net neutrality” agenda, donating $196 million and landing proponents on the White House staff, according to a new report.

“These left-wing groups not only impacted the public debate and funded top liberal think tanks from the Center for American Progress to Free Press. They also have direct ties to the White House and regulatory agencies. At least five individuals from these groups have ascended to key positions at the White House and FCC,” said the report which included funding details to pro-net neutrality advocates.

It quoted critic Phil Kerpen, president of American Commitment, saying, “The biggest money in this debate is from the liberal foundations that lavish millions on self-styled grassroots groups pushing for more and more regulation and federal control.”

Groups funded by Soros and Ford include the Center for American Progress, the American Civil Liberties Union, and Media Matters for America. They received a total of $54,226,097 from the Ford and Open Society Foundations.

Both the Ford Foundation, not affiliated with Ford Motor Co., and Open Society support the initiative.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/so...rticle/2560702

[MR2]

Originally Posted by Javadrinker

The "LEFT" doesn't reason. What happens when their rates do go up and they still have the same crappy speeds and "preserving Internet freedom"?

Easy, they will listen to the Media blame the Republicans and their 1%er Masters.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

I agree, my point is just not all in support of Net Neutrality support it for nefarious purposes.

And, Mussolini made the trains run on time.

I fully understand that if I were Netflix and paid for a pipeline and it got throttled I'd be upset...if I were a consumer I'd be upset. But, this is not the province of government particularly given the track record of this regime over the last 6 years.

And, it is time to recognize that giving this government more power - even with "good" or at least not nefarious intentions - is a path to a reduction in individual freedom. That is how this statist got in power...many, well intentioned citizens without nefarious intentions, supported this noose around their own neck. Hey, they want the noose they can self assess more tax or build faster/higher capacity internet backbones...but don't give government the control to put a noose on me and the little guy. The Internet has generally worked pretty well so far.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by article cited

...liberal foundations that lavish millions on self-styled grassroots groups pushing for more and more regulation and federal control.”

Yup. aka Astro-Turf, Next Generation. Like "Moms Against This..." "Everytown For That..." etc., ad nauseum, from Soros, Bloomersberg & the rest of the crew.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Badger52

Yup. aka Astro-Turf, Next Generation. Like "Moms Against This..." "Everytown For That..." etc., ad nauseum, from Soros, Bloomersberg & the rest of the crew.

Agreed. And, while their intentions may or may not be nefarious...there is a phrase for them, too...

...useful idiots.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

BTW, this isn't over. Congress may challenge the rules and various companies are threatening to sue.

Thank you - I was unsure - but concur.

All the inefficiency of government intervention/regulation will be in play.

In the meantime, capital will likely be allocated to lawyers and lobbyists and not to infrastructure or R&D. Creativity will be somewhat curtailed until the shake out. No doubt the initial regulations will favor the giant players and the little guy will spend on lawyers and lobbyists or maybe die or perhaps never enter the market.

And, technological advances may change the entire ball game - 2016 might usher in a new administration to undue the damage...all because Netfilx, ISPs and customers have a disagreement...I hope your friends at NPR are happy - they have invited the fox to look after the hen house...I sincerely hope that I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by tonyz

If you believe anything the left says about regulating climate change, the Internet or affordable healthcare...raise your hand...

Ok...

Now, use that hand to slap the shit out of yourself 'cause you're an idiot.

With the left, it is all about expanding government power and redistributing wealth.

Regulation is the currency of government...with it they use your money to expand their power.

Everything else is camouflage.

Here here, I am in total agreement.

[Ret10Echo]

Originally Posted by Javadrinker

The "LEFT" doesn't reason. What happens when their rates do go up and they still have the same crappy speeds and "preserving Internet freedom"?

YUP

Everything that the FCC has EVER done results in the consumers getting screwed. I am shocked that government organizations established to develop and enforce regulations continue to develop regulations to enforce whether they are needed or not

Government destroys..... either through intent or incompetence. End result = same

And as an extra added bonus... the services will become more expensive...so we'll be able to create another government organization to provide aide to those who can no longer afford what they could already afford before we started helping them.

That's like the custom window company driving around your neighborhood and breaking everyone's windows so they can sell you new windows.

[Golf1echo]

Originally Posted by Pete

My numbers may be off but I was reading that there was about 7 (?) large internet provides and about 3,000(?) small ones.

The internet is jumping because of all the innovation and buzz of the smaller ones.

The new rules, regulations, taxes and "oversight" is going to drive may of the little ones out of business.

Plus rates are going to go up about 16%.

The big companies with deep pockets are already lining up to put money in the pockets of politicians.

Imagine the numbers if everyone who uses the internet costs goes up 16%, that's a lot of graft! Not any different from inviting and then giving amnesty to 12 million plus illegals, colluding with the IRS, DOJ, BLM, etc... to go after your opponents. The tragic thing is they and there constituents are creating a world even they will not want... You think they will use the tax for improving the internet? So once again the answer is to tax the people for a broken model like health care.... no more than the theft of America. His adviser al sharpton was probably retained just for his coaching abilities and expertise on the subject. When the sheeple realize, it will be to late.
Real leadership that stimulates it's membership to better themselves is quite different obviously .
Amazing to me how these liberals have no eye on sustainability.

[Javadrinker]

Originally Posted by MR2

Easy, they will listen to the Media blame the Republicans and their 1%er Masters.

Roger that, but I thought that went without saying.

[Javadrinker]

Originally Posted by Ret10Echo

YUP

Everything that the FCC has EVER done results in the consumers getting screwed. I am shocked that government organizations established to develop and enforce regulations continue to develop regulations to enforce whether they are needed or not

Government destroys..... either through intent or incompetence. End result = same

And as an extra added bonus... the services will become more expensive...so we'll be able to create another government organization to provide aide to those who can no longer afford what they could already afford before we started helping them.

That's like the custom window company driving around your neighborhood and breaking everyone's windows so they can sell you new windows.

[Box]

Six or seven years ago people said certain things could never happen in the USA because our nation is too well informed; speaking out against liberal government policies was something only racists, bigots, rich people, or ring wing extremists did.

-The government isn't trying to control the internet.
...you people are just conspiracy nuts; besides, that shit could never happen in the USA


-Getting rid of DADT isn't about letting transgendered/transsexual troops gain free run of the military system. Getting rid of DADT is only about equality and fairness
...you folks are just homophobes.

-Expanding the roles of women in limited combat roles has nothing to do with trying to force the military into placing women in direct combat roles.
...you folks are just trying to protect the 'boys club" rape culture that is rampant in the US in the military

-If the government can't get your guns they will go after your bullets.
...that could never happen in the USA. You people are just busy clinging to guns religion, and antipathy.

-No one is talking about giving amnesty to illegal aliens...
...you folks need to stop being racists


Yet, here we are.
...continued victims of overtons window

[Diet Coke]

man, i just signed up here to say that this really bothers me.

i'm a 25 year old male who uses the internet, and my entire peer group demographic thinks this is some sort of social justice issue, and that net neutrality is like, a bald eagle with an american flag waving behind it.

but its THEIR servers, and THEIR cables, and THEIR staff that provides people with internet. those people aren't your slaves. if you're paying me to use my stuff, its reasonable that i might charge you more to use it more, and charge you less to use it less. and you know what? even if it wasn't reasonable, its still MY STUFF, you can't just say, no, i don't like that price, and put a gun in my face.

technically you can, but what blows my mind, is that they don't just quit. like, f*** you, get your own internet, i'm going fishing.

what really bothers me is that they're being treated like this, BECAUSE they're valuable and helpful people, that make internet happen for us. and people turn around and slap them in the face for their troubles, and say, no, f*** you, you OWE us internet! its friggin savagery.

i talk to people my age and they're like, yeah, u can't crush the little guy selling ballsack muffs and novelty mugs on the internet! fight for the little guy!... i'm like, who do you think pushed this through? great, thanks social justice warriors, now the FCC is doling out bandwidth on the internet too, and now the internet is rapidly just becoming television 2.0, free at last, free at last...

man, it just really bothers me, it seems like everyone, EVERYONE! i hear talking comes from this perspective that "we can't let the businessmen just get away with profiting!" and i think of all the guys that are good at their job and make the giant wheels of our society turn to provide us with modern necessities, conveniances, and luxuries - and these are the guys that they blame everything on, and turn to take another slice out of their ass.

i guess you guys know pretty keenly that government is essentially a monopoly on violence. it scares me that everyone, the common person, doesn't just suggest, but screams, for this to be the countermeasure to 'big business', i mean, whats business a monopoly on? selling you computers at the best price possible? making you a hamburger? and you're really going to threaten these people with guns to make them do what you want them to, which is, even more for you then they already do? its just so... bitter and wicked. really unsettling.

one of the reasons i like to read this forum, because, ironically, you guys don't go around screaming for blood, you don't go around insinuating 'that someone should go and tune up those guys that we want something out of"

it occurs to me that when violence is done in your name and you just have to cast your vote or do your job, violence becomes abstracted and magnified, people don't stop and think that they are demanding that other people threaten to toss someone in a cage for having the audacity to provide internet services to them.

it just makes me and to see everyone shouting to drag peaceful traders to the gallows. don't really believe in democracy anymore, whose idea was it to ask a lynch mob for their opinion? not just a lynch mob, but one whose goal is not hang the bad guy, but one whose goal is to hang the BEST GUY THEY CAN FIND.

that's all i wanted to say.

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by Diet Coke

man, i just signed up here to say that this really bothers me.

i'm a 25 year old male who uses the internet, and my entire peer group demographic thinks this is some sort of social justice issue, and that net neutrality is like, a bald eagle with an american flag waving behind it.

but its THEIR servers, and THEIR cables, and THEIR staff that provides people with internet. those people aren't your slaves. if you're paying me to use my stuff, its reasonable that i might charge you more to use it more, and charge you less to use it less. and you know what? even if it wasn't reasonable, its still MY STUFF, you can't just say, no, i don't like that price, and put a gun in my face.

that's all i wanted to say.

But, but , but it's the liberal, progressive, democratic, socialist, communist thing to do! Besides it's other peoples money! So who cares?

Oh and welcome to the right of center, you get it.

[Roguish Lawyer]

Nice points, Diet Coke. Welcome.