02-15-2015, 13:49
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The link, as I read it..
You will pay the fee even if your already covered by a plan.
That's Obama's spread the wealth socialism..
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02-15-2015, 13:51
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Obamacare requires people either buy health insurance or pay a tax - Cornell is now requiring students who do not purchase SHIP to pay the health fee.
Some folks, who will never use Cornell's health center, will however, be paying for it through the fee/penalty/tax = a redistribution. Yes, we all experience redistribution but this time many of these students, their parents and certainly their Ivy League peers voted overwhelmingly for the community organizer 2X ! Now, they complain about increased fees for service which they themselves will never use...rich.
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02-15-2015, 13:52
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The link, as I read it..
You will pay the fee even if your already covered by a plan.
That's Obama's spread the wealth socialism..
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We have been paying a student health fee on our daughter in college here in NC for two years, even though she is covered by TRICARE.
It is less, but they still charge for it, and you have to pay it.
TR
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02-15-2015, 13:58
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The link, as I read it..
You will pay the fee even if your already covered by a plan.
That's Obama's spread the wealth socialism..
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So, are you going to blame university library fees on Obama too?? How about parking fees???
Universities have been charging health care facilities fees long before Obama moved into the WH.
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02-15-2015, 14:06
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So, are you going to blame university library fees on Obama too?? How about parking fees???
Universities have been charging health care facilities fees long before Obama moved into the WH.
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True.
But should you have to pay parking fees if you do not have a car?
TR
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02-15-2015, 14:37
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Paying for something you will not use or already have is wrong.
The topic is medical coverage,, but you may as well group other fees in the same category.
- Parking fee when you can't afford a car
- Library fees when you use the mandatory Itoys to assess everything on the internet
- Medical fees when your parents must cover you under their plan until your 26
- Food Service Fees when you live off campus
Institutions of higher education have been and will continue to be imbibers of liberalism's wealth redistribution.
berry just learned from these schools.
Don't blame berry,,
berry is not responsible,,
He's not responsible for anything.
Next topic,,
Why do kids graduate from college with 200k in debt.
Is it because the college wants to create a new generation of sheeple that HAVE TO suckle at the tit of wealth redistribution??
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02-15-2015, 14:43
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Obamacare requires people either buy health insurance or pay a tax - Cornell is now requiring students who do not purchase SHIP to pay the health fee.
Some folks, who will never use Cornell's health center, will however, be paying for it through the fee/penalty/tax = a redistribution. Yes, we all experience redistribution but this time many of these students, their parents and certainly their Ivy League peers voted overwhelmingly for the community organizer 2X ! Now, they complain about increased fees for service which they themselves will never use...rich.
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Universities charge recreation fees....many students will never use the gym, pool, etc.
Everywhere I have lived county/city EMS services have been made possible by tax revenue. Would you like to live where there is no EMS?
I'd rather go to a university that has on campus medical facilities, than one where I to had to travel into town.
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02-15-2015, 15:22
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Originally Posted by WCH
Universities charge recreation fees....many students will never use the gym, pool, etc.
Everywhere I have lived county/city EMS services have been made possible by tax revenue. Would you like to live where there is no EMS?
I'd rather go to a university that has on campus medical facilities, than one where I to had to travel into town.
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At least one of us is misreading the OP. As I understood it they were being required to buy into Cornell's health insurance plan, not specifically pay for healthcare facilities on campus. Those costs should be part of tuition, as is parking, security, and the pool. Even if you can't swim or drive.
I don't have a problem with taxes that pay for things I may or may not ever need but, I'd be pretty upset if I called 911 and also got charged for the call.
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02-15-2015, 15:41
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Universities charge recreation fees....many students will never use the gym, pool, etc.
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My commentary generally points out the irony of those complaining. Particularly amusing is Cornell's acknowledgment of the continued rising costs of health care. Afterall, I thought Obamacare cured all? And, As I read things, portions of this new fee allegedly goes to service old debt and not for servicing current healthcare costs.
Anyway, in a free market and at a private university let them impose as many fees as the market will bear.
Still, watching budding community organizers complain about fees for stuff they will never use remains amusing.
And, I agree with you, I too want EMS service and I pay through the nose in multiple locations for it. All these years of paying and paying and paying and thank God we have yet to use it.
On the other hand, the crackhead, welfare recipient, renter, nontaxpayer, down the street has used municipal services of various types (some might say disproportionally to their contribution) over the past few years...
And, I agree with you again...the kids are getting a taste of reality and a glimpse of their future...fees, and fees and fees and fees and fees...
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02-15-2015, 15:43
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Universities charge recreation fees....many students will never use the gym, pool, etc.
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Yeah, but the ones hat don't, choose NOT to. It's there if they want it.
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Everywhere I have lived county/city EMS services have been made possible by tax revenue. Would you like to live where there is no EMS?
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Pretty weak argument here.
If one chooses to live in an extremely rural area where there is no EMS services, because they don't want to pay those taxes into the system, that is there choice. No one is making you.
Why is it so hard for you to understand the difference(s) between the freedom(s) to choose one thing or another, as opposed to having something shoved down your/our throat(s) by the government?
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02-15-2015, 15:53
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Universities have been charging health care facilities fees long before Obama moved into the WH.
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Just because it is wrong now, doesn't make it right then...
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02-15-2015, 16:31
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Our son goes to CSU, Ft. Collins. He has TriCare through the Guard and they waived the school's fee. Pretty simple. He buys an activity card if he wants to use the gym and pool. He buys a parking sticker, or parks at a metered space, if he wants to drive. He walks or rides his bike and his apartment has a gym.
BTW, I live where I don't count on EMS. Mostly because they can't find us. When was EMS created? The '60s or '70s? Thousands of generations of humans survived, or not, without EMS. And without higher education, for that matter. 
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02-15-2015, 18:49
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Most people would be better off if an EMS call was a fixed rate.
A very small percentage of the population is the vast consumer of EMS services, to include many who abuse the program and use it as a free taxi ride. I have seen statistics indicating that some people called for EMS a dozen times or more every month.
Unfortunately, these same abusers are also not taxpayers, so the service really is free for them.
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02-15-2015, 19:25
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Most people would be better off if an EMS call was a fixed rate.
A very small percentage of the population is the vast consumer of EMS services, to include many who abuse the program and use it as a free taxi ride. I have seen statistics indicating that some people called for EMS a dozen times or more every month.
Unfortunately, these same abusers are also not taxpayers, so the service really is free for them.
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Where I live they would be billed for transport.
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