1000 NG deploying to Border

[Tango three]

Originally Posted by Golf1echo

I like the idea of the States using their National Guard to protect the integrity of the Nation's border...

They have a broad set of skills to draw from and if integrated they could be very effective. SOP's similar to Civil Disturbance where jurisdiction is handed off, blocking strategies to control entry points, processing facilities- transport logistics, medical processing and care,etc...

Good for Governor Perry for doing something. Looks like checks and balances working, the State's power increasing as a result of an ineffective and unethical Federal Government.

"Coyote" is Right!

Well I don't like the idea of national issues being addressed at the state level. And I don't like Govenors taking "action" (particularly militarizing the situation) because in the Gov's opinion the President isn't doing enough or what the Gov wants.
As The Reaper pointed out, one Guardsman per 2.5 linear mile will have limited effect at enormous cost. And Gov Perry can send all the bills he wants to WA but he shouldn't hold his breath.
And, the people coming in (whether youy classify them as illegal aliens or refugees) certainly aren't sneaking in, they are turning themselves in.

As to the nature of the problem, there seems to be a disconnect in this discussion. Evidence indicateds this is a refugee problem yet members are discussing this as if the drug cartels in Centeral America are using this as a beachhead to invade America. Nothing could be farther from the case. They cetainly dont need a beachhead when they seem to be getting all the drugs they want into this country and why would they want to directly confront the US? That would not help in thier efferts to get more drugs in and more money out of the US.

[SF_BHT]

Originally Posted by Richard

Well - Rick Perry is a noted pistol packing coyote hunter... ...however, in this instance, I think he's politically hunting the Coyote In Chief.

Richard

Ahhhh Such a Wiley Coyote !!!!!!

[Dean Jarvis]

Originally Posted by Tango three

As to the nature of the problem, there seems to be a disconnect in this discussion. Evidence indicateds this is a refugee problem yet members are discussing this as if the drug cartels in Centeral America are using this as a beachhead to invade America. Nothing could be farther from the case. They cetainly dont need a beachhead when they seem to be getting all the drugs they want into this country and why would they want to directly confront the US? That would not help in thier efferts to get more drugs in and more money out of the US.

How many refugee's you know use .50 cal suppressive fire to cross the border.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=FMkwpFl_8d0

[Streck-Fu]

Referring and deterring? Does he mean to draw fire? LINK

The troops could detain people if asked, Texas Adjutant General John Nichols said at the press conference with Perry, but they are planning to play a "referring and deterring" role by deterring cartels with their visible presence and referring any immigrants suspected of being in the country illegally to DPS.

[Snaquebite]

USBP is Federal, TNG is state controlled in this use. Anyone see any problems with this relationship? TNG working with local LEO should be no problem but can the USG tell the USBP not to work/cooperate with the TNG?

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Tango three

Well I don't like the idea of national issues being addressed at the state level.

It's only a national border on maps, it's our REAL border. If the cops decide not to keep people from running through, or camping in, your backyard, are you just going to throw up your hands and say, "Oh, well. It's not my issue?"

Pat

[Javadrinker]

Originally Posted by Tango three

Evidence indicateds this is a refugee problem yet members are discussing this as if the drug cartels in Centeral America are using this as a beachhead to invade America. Nothing could be farther from the case. They cetainly dont need a beachhead when they seem to be getting all the drugs they want into this country and why would they want to directly confront the US? That would not help in thier efferts to get more drugs in and more money out of the US.

You should move down here and really learn something more than what the MSM is feeding you.
This is a non-violent invasion, if you notice the MSM was not here 6 months ago when the numbers coming across were the same only it was not women and children, but grown men.
As far as confronting the US, it is done daily, just not so reported.

[SFgrunt]

Is there any word on who they're talking about? Are these combat troops? MPs? Cooks?

We have some teams down there. That would be an interesting JCET eh?

[Golf1echo]

Originally Posted by Tango three

Well I don't like the idea of national issues being addressed at the state level. And I don't like Govenors taking "action" (particularly militarizing the situation) because in the Gov's opinion the President isn't doing enough or what the Gov wants.
As The Reaper pointed out, one Guardsman per 2.5 linear mile will have limited effect at enormous cost. And Gov Perry can send all the bills he wants to WA but he shouldn't hold his breath.
And, the people coming in (whether youy classify them as illegal aliens or refugees) certainly aren't sneaking in, they are turning themselves in.

As to the nature of the problem, there seems to be a disconnect in this discussion. Evidence indicateds this is a refugee problem yet members are discussing this as if the drug cartels in Centeral America are using this as a beachhead to invade America. Nothing could be farther from the case. They cetainly dont need a beachhead when they seem to be getting all the drugs they want into this country and why would they want to directly confront the US? That would not help in thier efferts to get more drugs in and more money out of the US.

What we want is our border secure, the Federal Government has not done that. The States in this case are desperate to get relief from this illegal immigration and it is not just the adjoining States, once across and not detained or released after processing these illegals are now effectively in the country...deep in the country. Ever seen those buses on our freeways?
https://www.google.com/search?q=Auto...87%3B300%3B200
The whole point in having an immigration policy and laws is to control who and how many foreigners enter your country and under what circumstance. if folks don't like those laws they need to change them but ignoring the laws because it is not convenient to your political agenda is a disconnect from a society that functions based on the rule of law. Why hasn't the current administration been out front in trying to change the laws? Why have they not put the resources forward to deal with this situation? Why didn't they start to work on these issues years ago?....they have their reasons.

Tango Three your OK for now, Governor Perry is just looking for enforcement of existing laws, his State has paid a heavy cost in supporting social services required to support such a large foreign population and the collateral effects...back to why we control immigration. There is an echelon in place for the deployment of our United States National Guard and perhaps we will all learn more about that through this event...

Snaquebite, I wonder about that too but there already are relationships in place where aliens that are caught inland can be turned over to ICE for processing, detention and then deported if required by current policy. The Border Patrol's problem is a lack of man power, resources and the political challenge to doing their job. The Guard has stepped in to do some good work for the country many times.

[MR2]

Krauthammer: "If Fences Don't Work, Why Is There One Around The White House?"

[cbtengr]

Originally Posted by MR2

Krauthammer: "If Fences Don't Work, Why Is There One Around The White House?"

That's Good!

[PSM]

Originally Posted by MR2

Krauthammer: "If Fences Don't Work, Why Is There One Around The White House?"

I'll take a shot at this one: "To give future Secretaries of State something to toss their fake medals over?"

Pat

[MR2]

Originally Posted by PSM

I'll take a shot at this one: "To give future Secretaries of State something to toss their fake medals over?"

Pat

Ba Dum Bum!

[echoes]

Originally Posted by 1stindoor

My belief is that this "deployment" will be short lived as once any kind of "incident" happens the federal government will step in and claim the Governor is overstepping his authority and declare his actions unconstitutional.

Sadly, am in agreement and so are most of the folks around here...This while thing is just so unbelievable! My goodness, where in the world has Our leadership gone....

Holly

[Utah Bob]

Originally Posted by 1stindoor

My belief is that this "deployment" will be short lived as once any kind of "incident" happens the federal government will step in and claim the Governor is overstepping his authority and declare his actions unconstitutional.

Unconstitutional! Har. Pot. Kettle. Black.