MRAPs Needed To Combat Combat Vets?

[The Reaper]

JJ:

Wow!

75 mph in a likely unlicensed MRAP with a max rated speed of 65 mph on a US public highway. I wonder if they checked the tire pressure along the way?

Last time I checked, troops had to go to specialized training to get certified to operate an MRAP. These guys sound more like they kicked the tires and lit the fire.

I guess these officers were protecting and serving in a hurry to get home for dinner. "Out of my way, citizen peasants!"

If they had killed a motorist, that would be a real shame. But they would not have been cited. Now the taxpayers can pay for the idiots' misconduct.

Someone should tell the LEOs procuring these vehicles that MRAPS are resistant to IEDs, not immune. The more armored the vehicle, the bigger (or more advanced) the charge used to defeat them. I have plenty of pics of MRAPs destroyed by people who cannot read or write, or do math beyond ten without looking at their feet.

This all sounds like a big ego trip to me. What's next? Lift kits and bigger tires?

TR

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

JJ:

Wow!

75 mph in a likely unlicensed MRAP with a max rated speed of 65 mph on a US public highway. I wonder if they checked the tire pressure along the way?

Last time I checked, troops had to go to specialized training to get certified to operate an MRAP. These guys sound more like they kicked the tires and lit the fire.

This all sounds like a big ego trip to me. What's next? Lift kits and bigger tires?

TR

Exactly TR,,

The old adage "kick the tires and take a test drive" does not apply..

I like the last sentence:

The Banning Police Department remained in possession of its MRAP this week. Retrofitting a surplus armored military vehicle for law enforcement can cost $100,000 or more. Whether Banning police will be allowed to keep their newest one remains to be seen.

I wonder who gets to eat the 100K retro-fit???

I also wonder if they received their free Iberrry phone??

[SF_BHT]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

JJ:

Wow!

75 mph in a likely unlicensed MRAP with a max rated speed of 65 mph on a US public highway. I wonder if they checked the tire pressure along the way?

Last time I checked, troops had to go to specialized training to get certified to operate an MRAP. These guys sound more like they kicked the tires and lit the fire.

I guess these officers were protecting and serving in a hurry to get home for dinner. "Out of my way, citizen peasants!"

If they had killed a motorist, that would be a real shame. But they would not have been cited. Now the taxpayers can pay for the idiots' misconduct.

Someone should tell the LEOs procuring these vehicles that MRAPS are resistant to IEDs, not immune. The more armored the vehicle, the bigger (or more advanced) the charge used to defeat them. I have plenty of pics of MRAPs destroyed by people who cannot read or write, or do math beyond ten without looking at their feet.

This all sounds like a big ego trip to me. What's next? Lift kits and bigger tires?

TR

TR

I had several heated discussions when my office was trying to get 2 of them. Hell we can not keep up on the normal vehicle maint much less support those monsters.

A bunch of want-to-be Military Operators Special Agents argued that they would be a great deterrent when going into Public Housing Projects (PHPs). Well I would tell them how many times have we been shot at on a big Opn? Hummmmm Hummmmm well the answer was NEVER.

How were we going to do maint? Hummm Hummm they would say we will get the Guard to help. Guess what the PR Guard does not have any.

How are we going to park them Hummmm Hummmm We will rent some space somewhere else. We are in a Business park and park our cars in a parking garage that will not allow a F350 with topper to enter.

Who is going to drive them and how are we going to get through those Very Narrow Streets? They would go TDY to some Army base and they would train them to drive. No one could answer the street problem.

Who is going to pay for hitting cars and trucks when you drive this monster on an Opn? Hummmm Hummmm No one wanted to answer that question.

Cops will take anything that is Military and Free without thinking things through. Their planning skills are quite limited and they have NO Logistical mindset.

But they do want to look Cool.

Just my 2 cents....

[PSM]

The Banning Police Department remained in possession of its MRAP this week. Retrofitting a surplus armored military vehicle for law enforcement can cost $100,000 or more. Whether Banning police will be allowed to keep their newest one remains to be seen.

Interesting. Banning is one of the major choke points out of the Los Angeles basin.

Pat

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by PSM

Interesting. Banning is one of the major choke points out of the Los Angeles basin.

Pat

Park a couple of these monsters at the choke point,, missions accomplished..

[Kasik]

I'm sure someone can find where some colonial "cop" made a similar statement after the Revolutionary War -

"You know, those colonial soldiers, they're real bad-asses! We didn't have that kind of knowledge and understanding of muskets and swords and cannons when I first started out!"

And it's been parroted ever since.

Just check the news over the past 7 or so years. LEOs shoot and kill far, far, far more veterans than the other way around (and with the everyday service weaponry they qualify once a quarter with).

Another factoid - Law Enforcement is prime population for job related PTSD...but you'll never know if you're dealing with such a diagnosed officer as there's usuallly one one psyche eval required to get hired and after that...

And, if nothing else, BLUF - "Dear Officer Fear Monger, if the Iraqi and Afghan insurgents can bust out these vehicles what makes you think those who rode in them can't do the same IF they go off the reservation?"

What a moron

[PSM]

Originally Posted by JJ_BPK

Park a couple of these monsters at the choke point,, missions accomplished..

Close the Cajon and Tejon passes and anybody trying to escape has to go south to I-8. A few will figure out how to get up to the 10, but you can cut them off at the Colorado! Works for me. LHC is going to be screwed, though. ETA: And he loves road trips.

Pat

[Chaplain Scott]

Back to the issue of the threat posed by combat vets, there is intel among the LE Gang Task forces that certain Hispanic organized gangs have been sending their guys into the infantry to gain knowledge and experience to bring back to the gangs.

The Deputy that I was on patrol with yesterday just returned from a regional gang task force seminar. They had a recently retired CID guy who was showing images of US gang graffiti sprayed on various objects in Iraq/Afghanistan, and groups of US Soldiers flashing known gang signs in the same places.........

[Streck-Fu]

Originally Posted by Chaplain Scott

The Deputy that I was on patrol with yesterday just returned from a regional gang task force seminar. They had a recently retired CID guy who was showing images of US gang graffiti sprayed on various objects in Iraq/Afghanistan, and groups of US Soldiers flashing known gang signs in the same places.........

Any instances of arrested gang members that claimed they went into the service to gain infantry training?

Kids posing for pictures flash 'gang' signs all the time and have for years. Any evidence of the claim other than some pictures?

[JJ_BPK]

Originally Posted by Chaplain Scott

Back to the issue of the threat posed by combat vets, there is intel among the LE Gang Task forces that certain Hispanic organized gangs have been sending their guys into the infantry to gain knowledge and experience to bring back to the gangs.

The Deputy that I was on patrol with yesterday just returned from a regional gang task force seminar. They had a recently retired CID guy who was showing images of US gang graffiti sprayed on various objects in Iraq/Afghanistan, and groups of US Soldiers flashing known gang signs in the same places.........

Are there stupid kids on AD that have friends & family in a gang,, no doubt. Did they join the army to be a better gang member?? Maybe some of the Mexican drug cartel did??

What gang activity was discussed for his regional gang task force seminar.

Sometimes the people teaching these classes might,,
just might be in the business of teaching classes,,
and making big bucks,,
telling students what they want to hear.

After all,, they do need repeat business..

Look at our buddy(S) Hammersmith, Hillar, or any of our inductees in the Hall Of Shame.

They would tell you anything to get your money..

There is no doubt that there are a bunch of good people out there doing continuing ed. But what is taught is infrequently verified..

My $00.00002..

[Chaplain Scott]

Originally Posted by Streck-Fu

Any instances of arrested gang members that claimed they went into the service to gain infantry training?

Kids posing for pictures flash 'gang' signs all the time and have for years. Any evidence of the claim other than some pictures?

I honestly don't know (although its a really good question). I am a mere Reserve Deputy, we don't get to go to training events

[scooter]

Yawn.

MRAPs are so easily disabled that the entire issue is a non-starter for anyone concerned about LEO misuse of the vehicles. Safe? Pretty much, yeah. Durable? Not really.... even without violence they break on their own just fine.

Within five years none of them will be running.

[Utah Bob]

Sheriff Phred has an MRAP. Dammit! We should get one for our department. Howz it gonna look at the SWAT Rodeo if we don't have one painted up cooler than his?

But Chief. Remember what happened when we ran out of spare parts for that surplus Huey? Actually we ran out of fuel money first.

Shaddupp and get me a damn MRAP.

I have heard these conversations before.