iranian escalation

[GreenSalsa]

Originally Posted by twistedsquid

Lurking silently beneath the waters is an American attack submarine. She's been shadowing the Iranian vessels since they steamed into the open sea.

Considering some of the pictures I have seen on the internet, the sub shouldn't have that much problem following a 12 mile wake of oil and rust trailing the Iranian "war" ship....

[Team Sergeant]

Originally Posted by twistedsquid

Lurking silently beneath the waters is an American attack submarine. She's been shadowing the Iranian vessels since they steamed into the open sea.

I seriously doubt any US warships are following them..... As chief pointed out the only damage they can do is the oil slick they are leaving in their wake...... the EPA should be all over them!

[ddoering]

Originally Posted by Max_Tab

It doesn't matter, and they don't care. It would be a suicide mission. I'm sure we have subs trailing them and as they get closer would be dogged by some surface ships. We would destroy the ships shortly after launch but by then it woUld be too late.

I think you give these monkeys too much credit.

[NurseTim]

Originally Posted by Team Sergeant

I seriously doubt any US warships are following them..... As chief pointed out the only damage they can do is the oil slick they are leaving in their wake...... the EPA should be all over them!

No, holder has given them special dispensation to violate any laws they may break. Valerie told him to let it go.

[Max_Tab]

Originally Posted by ddoering

I think you give these monkeys too much credit.

Your probable right, Muslims would never consider suicide to attack their enemies. What was i thinking.

Or do they not have the capability to launch a rocket a couple hundred miles into the atmosphere?

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Max_Tab

Your probable right, Muslims would never consider suicide to attack their enemies. What was i thinking.

Or do they not have the capability to launch a rocket a couple hundred miles into the atmosphere?

Their buddies in NK sure do.

All they have to do is to keep making smaller warheads and longer range missiles till they reach the right point of convergence.

They can accelerate the process if our mortgage holders, the Chinese give them a little of the nuclear weapons tech they stole during the last Klinton administration.

And Barry will sit on his ass and let them do it.

TR

[Max_Tab]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Their buddies in NK sure do.

All they have to do is to keep making smaller warheads and longer range missiles till they reach the right point of convergence.

They can accelerate the process if our mortgage holders, the Chinese give them a little of the nuclear weapons tech they stole during the last Klinton administration.

And Barry will sit on his ass and let them do it.

TR

There needs to be a sarcasm font. I was serious when I originally said they were a threat.

Scud d: The missile was originally designed to carry a 100-kiloton nuclear warhead or a 2,000 pound conventional warhead, with ranges from 100 to 180 miles.

Max height of a scud d missile:
Max height is about 200km (~115nm, ~124mi, 656000ft) at max range.

Ideal height for an EMP burst;
Multi-Megaton Burst between 180km/112 miles and 500km/310 miles high. EMP would cover between 900 and 1,500 miles from blast center. Peak ground-level voltages above 50,000 volts per meter.

[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by Max_Tab

There needs to be a sarcasm font. I was serious when I originally said they were a threat.

Scud d: The missile was originally designed to carry a 100-kiloton nuclear warhead or a 2,000 pound conventional warhead, with ranges from 100 to 180 miles.

Max height of a scud d missile:
Max height is about 200km (~115nm, ~124mi, 656000ft) at max range.

Ideal height for an EMP burst;
Multi-Megaton Burst between 180km/112 miles and 500km/310 miles high. EMP would cover between 900 and 1,500 miles from blast center. Peak ground-level voltages above 50,000 volts per meter.

130,000 volts per meter still couldn't break stuff back in 2006.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.document...-a-nuclear.pdf

[mark46th]

Normally, I would use Admiral Yamamoto's quote about awakening a sleeping giant. But with this POTUS and his cabinet, if I was Iran, I would attack the United States. There would be not only be no retaliation, we would probably pay them reparations for past actions, real and imagined...

[Max_Tab]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Their buddies in NK sure do.

All they have to do is to keep making smaller warheads and longer range missiles till they reach the right point of convergence.

They can accelerate the process if our mortgage holders, the Chinese give them a little of the nuclear weapons tech they stole during the last Klinton administration.

And Barry will sit on his ass and let them do it.

TR

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

130,000 volts per meter still couldn't break stuff back in 2006.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.document...-a-nuclear.pdf

I totally didn't understand anything other then his conclusion on the last page. I don't know the math at all, but people a lot smarter than me say its a danger. Electronics have gotten smaller and more delicate since 06 which is light years from the starfish test. Even the military considers it a threat.

[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by Max_Tab

I totally didn't understand anything other then his conclusion on the last page. I don't know the math at all, but people a lot smarter than me say its a danger. Electronics have gotten smaller and more delicate since 06 which is light years from the starfish test. Even the military considers it a threat.

Definitely still a threat.
Especially in certain densely populated areas.

IIRC, small-yield weapons can still do plenty of damage.
The affected area is just much smaller.

Just wondering how widespread the potential damage would really be.
It's a big country.

9/11 didn't result in societal breakdown.

[Max_Tab]

If they launched it along the eastern seaboard, very rough guesstimate N to S; Jacksonville FL, to NY, E to W ocean to about middle of kansas for a low mega ton weapon.

[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by Max_Tab

If they launched it along the eastern seaboard, very rough guesstimate N to S; Jacksonville FL, to NY, E to W ocean to about middle of kansas for a low mega ton weapon.

Still not sure about the severity of damage.

Page 7 of the linked doc indicates a maximum pulse of less than 30,000 volts/meter, regardless of yield.
Page 8 indicated that pulses of 130,000 volts/meter were insufficient to cause damage.

Are electronics really that much more fragile now?

I've heard of custom made smaller EMP weapons, some of which can be aimed.
That's a different matter and you can see why hardening would be necessary in that context.

Just seems like a foolish ploy to detonate a radiological weapon over the US when there might not be much damage.
There are probably other more effective methods of achieving the same ends.

[BryanK]

Originally Posted by GratefulCitizen

...Still not sure about the severity of damage...

...Just seems like a foolish ploy to detonate a radiological weapon over the US when there might not be much damage.
There are probably other more effective methods of achieving the same ends.

Highlighted text: I don't know about you, but if ONE American life is lost or altered at the hands of ANY foreign or domestic threat, I consider that to be severely damaging to someone.


As to the second portion of that post, It may be foolish to you, but it would be winning the world series for the radicals and non-radicals both. We seemed to garner a lot of patriotic support after we bombed the shit out of Japan right? Same difference. I'm not totally disagreeing with you, but maybe it could have been worded differently

[Max_Tab]

Sorry double post.