Gun owner unarmed, unwelcome in Maryland

[MtnGoat]

Originally Posted by Sdiver

Here's a great site to show what the various laws are in each State, as well as which State's honor and recognize CCWs from other States.

Just hit which State you're interested in ....

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

Here's the one for Colorado ...

http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/colorado.pdf

Thanks

[rdret1]

In North Carolina, if you have a CCW, that fact is listed in NCIC. When an officer runs a vehicle registered to you or your driver license number, it states that you have a concealed carry permit. The officer knows before he comes to the car that you have one. It sounds like this may be the case and the officer may have assumed that he was carrying a firearm.

[FlagDayNCO]

MD MTA does have a HUGE Homeland Security mission now, with the tunnels and related facilities. Has anyone noticed all the cameras that have gone up at major toll plazas and border state crossings? PA-NJ crossings now have facial recognition software. Marry that with your cellular equipment, vehicle GPS and related hardware, they start building a profile.

In one of the articles related to the MD MTA stop, there was information reported that MD MTA uses public accessed information. They data mine the interwebs and match everything to a person/ profile. Whether FL shared the information or not, there is enough out there to make everyone reconsider how they travel... and their route.

There is more to the story, but that will come at a later date. I am curious to read what is publicly released as to why the entire episode happened. There has to be a "trip wire" to start the ball rolling. MD MTA will not just pull a family vacation out of the sky to start a tin foil hat episode.

[futureSOF]

Originally Posted by FlagDayNCO

MD MTA does have a HUGE Homeland Security mission now, with the tunnels and related facilities. Has anyone noticed all the cameras that have gone up at major toll plazas and border state crossings? PA-NJ crossings now have facial recognition software. Marry that with your cellular equipment, vehicle GPS and related hardware, they start building a profile.

In one of the articles related to the MD MTA stop, there was information reported that MD MTA uses public accessed information. They data mine the interwebs and match everything to a person/ profile. Whether FL shared the information or not, there is enough out there to make everyone reconsider how they travel... and their route.

There is more to the story, but that will come at a later date. I am curious to read what is publicly released as to why the entire episode happened. There has to be a "trip wire" to start the ball rolling. MD MTA will not just pull a family vacation out of the sky to start a tin foil hat episode.

Which PA-NJ crossings specifically?

[Detonics]

Originally Posted by FlagDayNCO

There has to be a "trip wire" to start the ball rolling. MD MTA will not just pull a family vacation out of the sky to start a tin foil hat episode.

The "trip wire" could be as simple as a license plate reader. Auto run of the plate yields the owner information with a flag for any ccw information on the owner providing the alert. I don't see how the presence of a ccw record could be construed as pc for a legal stop, if someone where to challenge this.

[miclo18d]

Originally Posted by Detonics

The "trip wire" could be as simple as a license plate reader. Auto run of the plate yields the owner information with a flag for any ccw information on the owner providing the alert. I don't see how the presence of a ccw record could be construed as pc for a legal stop, if someone where to challenge this.

Agree! Unless he saw the gun he has no PC. Just because a database says you have a permit doesn't mean you have the firearm on or about your person. The wife was not PC either because she didn't know if the husband brought it. "I don't know" does not equal "yes."

As a law abiding citizen we must understand our own rights or the police will trample all over them. Ask why you were pulled over...traffic violation? Then give me a ticket for that but you are not searching my car! I suspect you have a gun...what probable cause do you have officer? A database? Did your database see my weapon? No? Are you detaining me? No, I don't consent to searches! Am I free to go? Etc. if they are going to search let them and then call your lawyer! Find a lawyer and have their card on you! Stop talking, remember you have the right to remain silent, don't give up that right!!!!

The other method....avoid going through The People's Democratic Republic of Maryland.

[CSB]

ONE:

This story has appeared in one, and only one, publication.
It has been reprinted and it has been quoted in several others,
but they all track back to a single source.

TWO:

Despite the fact that the person states he was issued a "warning ticket"
there is no copy/image of any warning ticket.

THREE:

The officer is never named.

So at this point I place this story in the category of:

Urban Legend, Plausible, Unverified.

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And part of the "plausible" is the fact that several states, including my home
state of Tennessee, keep track of carry permits by the same agency and in the
same data base as driver licenses. Any officer who runs a driver's license check
on a Tennessee license will get a report that looks something like the (redacted) one below.
Notice that "GUN PERMIT STATUS" is reported at the same time the driver's license status is reported.

[JHD]

As a MD resident, I am hoping it is not true. If it is true, I am hoping there is more to the story than has been reported already. As thin as a pancake is, there are still two sides, so if true, I am hoping to hear the rest of the story. I haven't heard a whisper of it anywhere else, so I am hoping it is urban legend.