12-05-2004, 22:41
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Guerrilla
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Originally Posted by Smokin Joe
Its been to cold up here to put it through its paces.
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We'll be having none of that. The little fellow generates its own heat. (The Kimber, not the TS.)
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12-08-2004, 13:41
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Guerrilla Chief
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Going to take this thread in a different direction......So now I'm ready to purchase a .45, never owned one, shot plenty of them, including H&K tactical , SOCOM, compact, (suppressed was fun!!), Colt officers and commander, Glock 30 and 36....2 threads now on Para and Kimber: so what are the pros and cons as per the perspective of those of you who do, or did, shoot for a living?
Any brand better?? a few points....
- TR, it does need to handle 'that' ammo (LM)
- cocked and locked vs not is fine
- easy to disassemble/replace tiny little parts (I am my own armorer on my glocks and H&K)
Thanks for any input
ss
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12-08-2004, 16:23
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Area Commander
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Swat,
In all honesty I have no idea if a Kimber will handle "that ammo" I would not run "that ammo" through the pistol in this thread. Or any Kimber CDP II because they have aluminum frames.
That being said I love my Kimbers right out of the box they run like a champ. Granted they are a little tight the first 700-1000 rnds as Kimber has a "break in period" for there pistols.
I have had poor luck Springfields 'loaded' 1911's however I know others who swear by them.
Glocks will not handle "that ammo".
I have zero experience with Para but I would defiently trust TR's opinion if they will handle "that ammo" a Para might be the way to go just to be sure. But with your experience with H&K I wouldn't dismiss them either, and from what I hear the H&K's will handle "that ammo".
So if I were you I would narrow it down to and H&K and a Para.
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12-08-2004, 16:27
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Oh hell! Sombody buy the gun, ammo and pot roast and I'll shoot it!
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12-08-2004, 17:24
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Guerrilla Chief
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NDD<
I'm right there with you.....
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'Revel in action, translate perceptions into instant judgements, and these into actions that are irrevocable, monumentous and dreadful - all this with lightning speed, in conditions of great stress and in an environment of high tension:what is expected of "us" is the impossible, yet we deliver just that.
(adapted from: Sherwin B. Nuland, MD, surgeon and author: The Wisdom of the Body, 1997 )
Education is the anti-ignorance we all need to better treat our patients. ss, 2008.
The blade is so sharp that the incision is perfect. They don't realize they've been cut until they're out of the fight: A Surgeon Warrior. I use a knife to defend life and to save it. ss (aka traumadoc)
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12-08-2004, 19:05
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Paras have a ramped barrel, Kimbers are great guns, but do not.
The Kimber double stack is so ugly only a mother could love it.
All else being equal, I would rather have 14 rounds of .45 ACP available than 7. Better to have and not need than to need and not have.
I have a P-14 which has had a grip reduction and is the same grip diameter as a Glock 23. Very nice feeling pistol. I have .45 ACP P-14s and P-16s in .40 S&W and 10mm.
My home defense pistol is a P-13 with a Surefire X200.
My CC piece is an Alloy P-12. A few hundred rounds of LeMas have been through it with no ill effects (except on the targets).
The Glock .45s have an unsupported area of the chamber. Normal .45ACP does not have a problem with this. The other Glocks are usually GTG. I have it on good authority that a KTM barrel makes everything okay.
I would see what comes up at the SHOT this year, it should be a big year for new stuff without the AWB.
I may have to buy one of the new LDA triggered pistols. Maybe they will make one in .357 SIG, perhaps an Officer's Model size, that would hold 14 rounds of .40 or .357. That would be very neat.
HTH.
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12-08-2004, 19:32
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Originally Posted by swatsurgeon
Going to take this thread in a different direction......So now I'm ready to purchase a .45, never owned one, shot plenty of them, including H&K tactical , SOCOM, compact, (suppressed was fun!!), Colt officers and commander, Glock 30 and 36....2 threads now on Para and Kimber: so what are the pros and cons as per the perspective of those of you who do, or did, shoot for a living?
Any brand better?? a few points....
- TR, it does need to handle 'that' ammo (LM)
- cocked and locked vs not is fine
- easy to disassemble/replace tiny little parts (I am my own armorer on my glocks and H&K)
Thanks for any input
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I cut my teeth on 1911 clones, but no more.
Now I carry and use HK USP's as my weapon of choice. They shoot bullet hole through bullet hole out of the box and require NO tweaking or 500 rds to make them smooth. No kimber or glock for me. USP .45 (fullsize) is the ticket. I don't own a HK .45 Compact so no opinion concerning those weapons, but I do have a .40 Compact and it is the heat. (Now if I could only find Hi-Cap mags for it...)
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12-08-2004, 20:42
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
I cut my teeth on 1911 clones, but no more.
Now I carry and use HK USP's as my weapon of choice. They shoot bullet hole through bullet hole out of the box and require NO tweaking or 500 rds to make them smooth. No kimber or glock for me. USP .45 (fullsize) is the ticket. I don't own a HK .45 Compact so no opinion concerning those weapons, but I do have a .40 Compact and it is the heat. (Now if I could only find Hi-Cap mags for it...)
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I have the full size HK USP .45, with the HK light that I keep on my nightstand in the bedroom. Its a great pistol, but a little big for concealed carry! I also have 3 pre-ban mags for it. 
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12-09-2004, 14:17
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I need to sign up for The Reaper seminar in Paraordinance and get some learnin. I see much to like in Para but only know one person with a para and he doesn't like to get his weapons dusty. I've been a full size, single stack,1911 fan but my horizons are expanding.
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12-09-2004, 18:22
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Probably around Christmas (if you are around)
Yes I have been dry firing as instructed.
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I will probably be around if you want some company . . .
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12-09-2004, 18:46
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I will probably be around if you want some company . . .
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Get your head out of the gutter man! We’re discussing shooting, besides there could be children reading these pages! What were you thinking?
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12-09-2004, 19:06
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ROTFLMAO!!!
end of hijack.. back to Guns!
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12-09-2004, 20:11
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Ts, Lmao!
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12-09-2004, 20:43
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I will probably be around if you want some company . . .
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Sorry but you WILL NOT BE MY SPOON BUDDY!
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12-09-2004, 23:54
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Originally Posted by Team Sergeant
(Now if I could only find Hi-Cap mags for it...)
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Sorry I am late, How many mags do you require?
PM me with details
I have handled many Kimbers and I am NOT impressed by them at all. Last week, I took a Brand new stainless commander length TLE-RL out of the box and put it on the shelf. Later that same day, a customer decided that he NEEDED to have this pistol. Upon closer inspection, the magazine release jammed halfway open and wouldn't allow a magazine to fully seat, and the barrel had several significant spots of Heavy rust/scale on it. On a Springfield Mil spec, I might could let these things slide, but NOT on an $1100 brand new just-out-of-the-box pistol. Neither the customer nor myself were pleased.
Just my .02
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