12-05-2013, 19:14
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Watch for the adulation in the media this weekend. We don't have television, but I would bet that little to no mention was made of Margaret Thatcher's passing.
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You are very perceptive! The anointed one cannot imagine his life without the example of Mandela. Now please excuse me while I go throw up.
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12-05-2013, 19:16
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No! Don't misunderstand! You didn't even come close to offending me, or anyone else, and I'd never purposely try to upset you.
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Sir Dusty,
Yep, and am in full agreement....(have been around here at ps for enough years to know a few things....lol.)  
Have learned never ever trust the news media...b/c there are QP's who will always verify! 
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12-05-2013, 19:18
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Why he wasn't condemned at trial and executed immediately has always puzzled me. A good IO campaign could have negated the "martyr" effect. Sorry - I'm with Dusty. The only good communist is a dead one.
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12-05-2013, 19:25
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Why he wasn't condemned at trial and executed immediately has always puzzled me. A good IO campaign could have negated the "martyr" effect. Sorry - I'm with Dusty. The only good communist is a dead one.
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A very good question indeed.
I guess he made a good alternative to a Mugabe, should the need arise.
TR
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12-05-2013, 19:48
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Why he wasn't condemned at trial and executed immediately has always puzzled me.
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Same reasons Obama hasn't been impeached, yet-fear of reprisal, lack of leadership capabilites in the opposition and complacency:
http://nationalreview.com/article/36...nathan-strong#!
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12-05-2013, 19:57
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will be interesting to see if Obama goes to the funeral. Since he dissed Thatcher.
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12-05-2013, 20:27
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will be interesting to see if Obama goes to the funeral. Since he dissed Thatcher.
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I can't see him not going.
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12-05-2013, 21:07
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Mandela's past
Mandela's past is what it is. What his wife did is recorded for those that want to dig it up.
I watched it live on TV (may have even been CNN) as he was released from prison. Little confused on the details because I couldn't remember them exactly - something about an island prison (?) and brought to the mainland?
Anyway that release had a profound affect on S. Africa and the new direction it would take - good or bad.
His being alive, I think, also had a calming affect on the country through the years. With his passing the lip has been lifted.
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12-05-2013, 21:45
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Originally Posted by Pete
I watched it live on TV (may have even been CNN) as he was released from prison. Little confused on the details because I couldn't remember them exactly - something about an island prison (?) and brought to the mainland?
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Here you go, Pete:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robben_Island
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12-05-2013, 22:24
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The Mandela-worship is just another example of a bunch of libs conning the masses with the aid of the predominant press, echoes.
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FWIW...
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12-06-2013, 03:39
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OMFG!!!!!!
I'm on cruise ship in the middle east wondering...
HOW THE FUCK IS/ARE "AMERICANS" EVEN WORSHIPPING HIM? 
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12-06-2013, 06:34
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CNN please stop with the wise old man footage. Someone tell Christiane Amanpour she doesn't need to ramble off five sentences of how great he was every time she brings up his name.
The guy did do some great stuff. Apartheid was messed up. When a government takes young black woman from their families and sells them into prostitution for the rich, well I would go all Jihad on their ass right along with Mandela.
But he is definitely the most overrated leader in history. Plenty of people took the same risk for freedom but weren't given the credit for it. Like what Val Kilmer is to acting 
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12-06-2013, 06:49
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FWIW...
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Sig, I understand what you're trying to say. Bush, Ryan...who knows how many people don't see it the way I do. I'm sure some of them are QP's, even.
I make up my mind on issues such as this based on the intel I've personally gathered and processed as opposed to what has been written for mass public consumption or what someone whom I may or may not admire thinks about it.
There were a lot of folks at Stalin, Mao and Pol Pots funerals, too.
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12-06-2013, 08:16
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There's a whole lot of things Mandela, his wife and their crew did that you won't find out from Bono or Diane Sawyer, echoes.
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There was another Man U fotbol club....Mandela United Futbol Club which Winnie ran that some allege kicked heads around from time to time. Winnie also worked on causes like AIDS to help her public image.....but some allege that Winnie skimmed money from her fake charities and organizations. And finally there is a opera named The Passion of Winnie which captures the rebellious, violent passion of Winnie Madikizela-Mandela.
"With our rubber tyres and our boxes of matches, we will liberate this land."
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12-06-2013, 09:00
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Top 5 Ways Barack Obama Is No Nelson Mandela
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