Avoiding Recall:

[Peregrino]

Unfortunately, the dims have proven once again that they are the better "chess" players. Politics are about the long haul; by sacrificing a rook, they've preserved their board position. I wish the conservatives in Colorado good fortune as you shape the battle lines for the next electoral cycle. At least your recent wins have forced the adversaries into a delaying action.

[GratefulCitizen]

Need to rub as much salt in the wound as possible.
Spin cycle.

[MR2]

Originally Posted by Gold Eagle

Bye, bye Evie! I kind of like the "recall" shirts. Any way I may buy one?

The ones that are left say "Sign Here" on the back. I'll send you one for cost of shipping - PM me your size and shipping details.

Originally Posted by Peregrino

Unfortunately, the dims have proven once again that they are the better "chess" players. Politics are about the long haul; by sacrificing a rook, they've preserved their board position. I wish the conservatives in Colorado good fortune as you shape the battle lines for the next electoral cycle. At least your recent wins have forced the adversaries into a delaying action.

Great analogy. But because of this recall effort, the 'replacement' Rook will be placed in jeopardy in Nov14 instead of Nov16...

Remember, the Recall effort is a limited entity and defined as an "Issues Committee" within Colorado law. The committee and the effort is limited. It is truly a non-partisan effort. And in this case was truly Grassroots. We did have help from the NAGR/RMGO and ZERO support from the NRA.

Senate District 19 is evenly divided between GOP/Dem/Unaffiliated. The greatest percentage of Recall signers were unaffiliated while the GOP/Dem were pretty close percentage wise. Can't tell you how many Democrat registered wives I watched bring their GOP registered husbands out "by the ear" to sign.

I predict the next Recall effort brought forth in Colorado will be to remove the Chairman of the Colorado GOP, Ryan Call. Recall Call - I like that!

[MR2]

GOP Chairman Call early in the second week of the Recall stated that he was against these recalls. The GOP did not help with any of these three recall efforts (nor should they have). But they could have helped potential candidates, got candidates and sitting politicians to help fund-raise for the Recall. They could have (should have) kept there thoughts to themselves. Chm. Call also sent out national fund-raising emails taking credit for the first two recalls and lauding his support. Fucking liar.


Yes. It was Democrat registered wives bringing in Republican registered husbands to sign the petition. I believe the oppositions observation of so many women signing convinced them to force Sen. Hudak to resign.

[Golf1echo]

Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

Typical politician! Would have been smarter and more proper if he had just said, "I was against the recalls originally as I believe they could backfire, but I was wrong..." something like that.

I am confused though, wouldn't the GOP getting candidates and sitting politicians to help fund-raise for the Recall be the same as helping with the Recall?

Rights are rights they apply to every American...and unfortunately even non Americans.

My observation is this is one of the first battles in a war, a war for the rights established by the Constitution, rights that made this Country great which some today find inconvenient and counter to their agenda. Lest we forget the GOP was powerful in all branches not long ago ( for better or worse) and the Dems became activists to counter that position. The pendulum swung, I never imagined that impetus would try and tear so much thread from the fabric...I believe it is a miscalculation and ignorance of the cyclical nature of how our country functions. The pendulum naturally begins to swinging the other way now. There are many complex issues at play in society today and ideally we all would have a better perspective of what those issues are but each party keeps pushing their specific agendas with the help of manipulators and at the cost of what is right for the betterment of this Country and it's people. We desperately need good people in leadership in all parties, we need good sensible laws, reasonable enforcement ( " the people are only willing to be policed as much as the people are willing to be policed".), we need a resurgence of ethics, we need good messages disseminated, we need to find the balances that work for our nation and yes it is harder to do in a complex world like we live in today...we need to fix this polarity or things break and we can all imagine what that result will be...Many here don't just imagine they know and have experienced life in such strife. This is not what we want for our Families and our country.
There are plenty of external challenges to face, we need to get this right or...Well Thomas Jefferson had some thoughts and insights on this...

OK stepping off my soapbox now...

[Golf1echo]

Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

IMO, basic human rights apply to all humans, American or non-American. Special rights that you get as an American citizen, however, should not be applied to everyone: for example, right to vote, right to public education, etc...every person on the planet doesn't have a right to vote in American elections so long as they can make it across our border.
First thank you for the thoughtful reply. I see your point, hence De Oppresso Liber. I was being ethnocentric. My understanding of the rights ( Liberties ) forwarded in our Constitution is they are not given, there is a covenant that a strong, responsible, and productive citizen can enjoy the freedoms and rights guaranteed, it will not sustain when these rights are given without that covenant



Remember that the rights are not established by the Constitution, they are pre-existing. The Constitution exists to protect them. The entity that gets its authority granted by the Constitution is the government.



IMO, the pendulum never swung. This is one of the main areas I disagreed with many pundits. Many pointed out how the pendulum swung to the left during the Great Depression with FDR, then back to the right with Reagan, and now the pendulum was finally beginning to shift to the left again with the election of Obama. IMO, that was a misreading. The Democrats won control of Congress in 2006 to a good degree by running conservative-leaning Democrats. Then Obama ran as a centrist to center-left candidate with a media covering for him. The American public never really were exposed to how left wing he is and they tended not to agree with his major policies, such as healthcare, which the Democrats had to ram through. There was no demand for big government during the recession which surprised the Democrats as historically during times of economic depression the people had demanded big government.

I think the mistake the Democrats made was in confusing a time when there were no safety nets at all, and then a major recession (Great Depression) happened, and people thus welcomed the creation of safety nets (New Deal). Whereas with this recession, the safety nets were already in place, so people weren't demanding even more government. Also, many of the criticism of the Bush administration that were lobbed at it by Obama in the 2008 campaign were about how Bush had spent excessively. The American people wanted fiscal responsibility, which means the pendulum was still leaning more to the right. But they didn't realize Obama's leftism and thus elected him and then a second time.

Some points I had not considered, My understanding is there has been movement back and forth, at times greater than others so I suppose it dynamic, each election there are differences generally even when one is reelected although they may be subtle or great. I believe these last two presidential terms have been extreme from my perspective however and a back lash will be inevitable although I am certainly no scholar. I also do not see these changes residing solely with the presidency, there is a movement afoot on many levels. Take recent incidences in Colorado like Columbine and the Movie theater incident as examples for this thread, don't you think they influenced the thinking of liberal voters and politicians that came up with and supported the high capacity magazine ban as a solution to these types of incidences? I can not bring myself to believe that a ban like this in place now has anything to do with the solution to those problems. The solutions lie elsewhere and have more to do with being strong, responsible, and productive citizens ie Family, Media coverage, mental healthcare system, and messaging in general combined with punishment playing important roles in where the solutions will be found... The fraud perpetrated by 0 and his contingent, the media and the lack of viable choices are very much as you say and the reaction to that is what I refer to as the pendulum swinging back, conservatives and liberals alike that see through that fraud have a greater awareness now and if they take the time to vote can fix this... IMO

[PedOncoDoc]

Cowardly is the kindest of words I would use for this person.

Is there any way to continue with the recall efforts, citing a "side-stepping" of procedure through resignation, especially considering the number of signatures in hand at the time of her resignation?

[MR2]

Originally Posted by Broadsword2004

I am confused though, wouldn't the GOP getting candidates and sitting politicians to help fund-raise for the Recall be the same as helping with the Recall?

By discouraging Republicans to sign the petition and citizens who are also elected officials from endorsing, contributing, making calls, etc. the GOP involved itself negatively. By giving blessing to the effort, more 501 3c groups (like NAGR/RMGO) would have helped us immensely through ads countering the Reverse 911 slander robo call and libelous "petitioners are child molesters" door hangers.

Originally Posted by PedOncoDoc

Cowardly is the kindest of words I would use for this person.

Is there any way to continue with the recall efforts, citing a "side-stepping" of procedure through resignation, especially considering the number of signatures in hand at the time of her resignation?

Not at this point in Colorado. SOS will not accept the petition because the Senator is no longer in office. It would have been nice to force her to campaign to keep her seat during the middle of the legislative session, but we will have to be satisfied with forcing the seat to be up for election in Nov2014 instead of Nov2016.