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Old 10-13-2013, 19:52   #16
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Old 10-13-2013, 19:55   #17
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In that case, Garrows wouldn't even be breaking the story, but instead just repeating what others have already alleged? (There's no mention of Garrows in the article above.) Relevant, since one of my points is that if someone was sitting on information that Obama had Breitbart and Clancy murdered that person wouldn't use Garrows to break the news to the public.

What about this claim by Garrow?

I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new "litmus test" in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks. "The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not". Those who will not are being removed.
- Dr. Jim Garrow - January 21, 2013


https://www.facebook.com/jim.garrow....51209214442015

'Cause when Lt. Gen (ret) Boykin wants to anonymously drop this bombshell on the world, he chooses to tell it to a fake doctor from Canada and have him announce it on facebook.

There are plenty of officers here. Maybe one that was purged can confirm this. <rolls eyes> Oh wait, it's utter BS too.

I agree with you that Garrow doesn't seem like a prime candidate to be a messenger.

Fact of the matter is I was asking myself Friday who the heck is Jim Garrow.....another Steve Quayle or Lindsey Williams? I think I went to his website and closed the window because it looked quackish. Nobody of any substance is going to use this guy to get their message out.

More than likely he puts some stuff together and attempts to make breaking news on Above Top Secret and BIN.

For instance:

Seems to me that the 'Litmus Test' had been brought a year or two ago by someone else, maybe around the same time there was a rumor of a new oath to Obama the armed services were taking.

The Muslim/Obama thing has been making its rounds for quite awhile with new tidbits like the Vernon Jarret story popping up here and there....even some more credible sources.

I have no idea why anyone would want to wack Tom Clancy, but Breitbart and Hastings definitely had people who despised them and they fall into the Vince Foster category.

I can't say if they are true or untrue, but I do know that it was that long ago people thought anyone that considered Ayers had a big hand in Dreams of my Father was nuts and the US Government would give give guns to drug cartels was nuts and had been visiting Prison Planet too much.


No matter what the case, the comments to these articles are always a hoot to read
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Old 10-13-2013, 20:04   #18
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/nobel-pe...-citizens.html

It goes back to at least January and this alleged survey, allegedly given by a Navy Lieutenant Commander Ernest Guy Cunningham

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The following survey was given to U.S. Marines at the 29 Palms Marine Corps base in California:
DD Form 3206 (Rev 2/96)

JOINT SERVICES TRAINING COMBAT ARMS SURVEY

Part A (Confidential when filled in)

This questionnaire is to gather data concerning the attitudes of combat trained personnel with regard to non-traditional missions. All responses are confidential and official. Write your answers directly on the form. In Part II, place an "X" in the space provided for your response.

Date:_____________

Part 1. Demographics.

1. Branch of Service: Army ( ) USAF ( ) Navy ( ) Marines ( ) ANG ( ) NG ( ) USCG ( ) Other: ( )

2. Pay Grade: (E-6, O-4, etc) ( )

3. MOS, AFSC or Specialty Code and Description: ( )

4. Highest level of education: Less than 12 ( ) 13 ( ) 14 ( ) 15 ( ) (16) ( ) More than 16 ( )

5. How many months did you serve in Operation Desert Storm/Desert Shield?( )

6. How many months did you serve in Somalia? ( )

7. Where did you spend most of your childhood?

City: ( ); County: ( ) State: ( )

Part II. Attitude:

Do you feel that U.S. combat troops should be used within the U.S. and bordering countries for any of the following missions?

(Strongly Disagree) (Disagree) (Agree) (Strongly Agree) (No Opinion)

8. Drug enforcement

9. Disaster relief (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes)

10. Security at national events (e.g. Olympic Games, Super Bowl)

11. Environmental disaster clean-up including toxic and nuclear

12. Substitute teachers and school workers in public schools

13. Community assistance programs (e.g. landscaping, environmental clean-up,road repair, animal control)

14. Federal and State prison guards and auxiliary police

15. National emergency police force/international security force

16. Advisors to SWAT units, the FBI, or the BATF

17. Border Patrol (e.g. prevention of entry of illegal aliens into U.S. territory)

18. Drug enforcement and interdiction

19. Disaster relief in bordering countries (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes, etc.)

20. Environmental disaster clean-up in bordering countries including toxic and nuclear.

21. Peace keeping and local law enforcement and internal security forces

22. National building (reconstruct civil governments, develop public school system, develop or improve public transportation system, etc.)

23. Humanitarian relief (e.g. food and medical supplies, temporary housing and clothing and domestic care).

Do you feel that U.S. combat troops should be used in other countries, under command of non-U.S. officers appointed by the U.N. for any of the following missions?

24. Drug enforcement.

25. Disaster relief (e.g. hurricanes, floods, fires, earthquakes)

26. Environmental disaster clean-up including toxic and nuclear.

27. Peace keeping including local law enforcement and internal security forces

28. National building (reconstruct civil government, develop public school system, develop or improve public transportation system, etc.

29. Humanitarian relief (e.g. food and medical supplies, temporary housing and clothing and domestic care)

30. Police action (e.g. Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm but serving under non-U.S. officers)

31. The U.S. runs a field training exercise. U.N. combat troops should be allowed to serve in U.S. combat units during these exercises under U.S. command and control.

32. The U.N. runs a field training exercise. U.S. combat troops under U.S. command and control should serve in U.N. combat units during these exercises

33. The U.N. runs a field training exercise. U. S. combat troops should serve under U.N. command and control.

34. U.S. combat troops should participate in U.N.missions as long as the U.S. has full command and control.

35. U.S. combat troops should participate in U.N. missions under U.N. command and control.

36. U.S. combat troops should be commanded by U.N. officers and non- commissioned officers at battalion, wing and company levels while performing U.N. missions.

37. It would make no difference to me to have U.N. soldiers as members of my team.

38. It would make no difference to me to take orders from a U.N. company or squadron commander.

39. I feel the President of the U.S. has the authority to pass his responsibilities as Commander-in-Chief to the U.N. Secretary General.

40. I feel there is no conflict between my oath of office and serving as a U.N. soldier.

41. I feel my unit's combat effectiveness would not be affected by performing huminatarian and peace keeping missions for the U.N.

42. I feel a designated unit of U.S. combat soldiers should be permanently assigned to the command and control of the U.N.

43. I would be willing to volunteer for assignment to a U.S. combat unit under a U.N. commander.

44. I would like U.N. member countries, including the U.S., to give the U.N. all the soldiers necessary to maintain world peace.

45. I would swear to the following code:

"I am a United Nations fighting person. I serve in the forces which maintain world peace and every nation's way of life. I swear and affirm to support and defend the Charter of the United Nations and I am prepared to give my life in its defense."

46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale, transportation, and transfer of all non-approved firearms. A 30-day amnesty period is established for these firearms to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of irregular citizen groups and defiant individuals refuse to turn over their firearms to authority.

Consider the following statement:

"I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the United States government."

End of Survey
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Old 10-14-2013, 04:22   #19
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Oh hell, I'm not mad, nor am I pissed. Takes a lot to piss me off (case in point Barry's administration) and I understand exactly where Leozinho is coming from.

It is difficult to initially separate credible reporting/fact from the "tin foil hat" style we're seeing more and more today, without researching it even just a bit. But the thing that's got me is that these "credible news sources" are just as guilty of putting out false/crazy stories as the tin foil hat crowd does. In fact, I would hold them liable for the mess we're in today with Barry and his administration. If one, just one credible news source would dig into Barry's past as they have done so before in the past with other President's (both D and R) I'm sure that people would shit their pants.

BuuuuuuuUUUUUuuuuuT NooooOOOOOooooo ....... you dig into Barry's past, or bring up something sensational such as the above posted link and you're labeled a kook and deserve a room at the laughing academy. If that be the case, I hope I get a room with a window.


Ahhhhhhhh .... Juicy Fruit.
I rest my case. Well said.
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Old 10-14-2013, 07:44   #20
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The main thing to always remember with conspiracies is that they are incredibly difficult to keep secret, so the more grandiose the conspiracy, generally the more likely it is fake.

You mean the grandiose conspiracy like Alex Jones has been preaching for YEARS......the misuse of the Patriot Act, the Police State and NSA Spying...all of which have become well rounded topics on this board.


Which brings us back to Leozinho's question of why anyone would use Garrow as a means to release information..........why would anyone use Alex Jones?
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Old 10-14-2013, 16:00   #21
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As a long-time friend and guest on NTEB Radio, we know Dr. Garrow to be a previous Nobel Peace Prize nominee and executive director of the Bethune Institute’s Pink Pagoda Girls school and rescue outreach in China. But on our show tonight, Dr. Garrow made the amazing revelation that he had, in fact, right up until this past Wednesday night at midnight, spent 45 years as a covert CIA operative. Garrow said that as a result of his “litmus test” statement in January, he was outed from the agency by Obama, and forced to accept early retirement
http://vineoflifenews.com/bombshell-...dministration/

Finding out anything of substance on Jim Garrow is about as productive as finding the College Transcripts of Barry Soetoro.

There were 200+ nominees (beside BO) for the NPP in 2009 and the list apparently won't be released for 50+ years.

He was a Covert CIA Operavtive......It could be true or maybe he is Wolfgang Hammersmith or Bill Hillars brother. Maybe someone could ask former CIA case officer Bob Baer.

He is allegedly the founder of something named Pink Pagoda Schools that rescues female infants from China.

And all his news is posted on what is consider B & C rated news platforms.

And you can contact him at www.wnd.com


Who knows....
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He was a Covert CIA Operavtive......It could be true or maybe he is Wolfgang Hammersmith or Bill Hillars brother. Maybe someone could ask former CIA case officer Bob Baer.
Yeah - deep cover as a private school educator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g079...be.fMzzBPQKzLw
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Old 10-14-2013, 18:35   #23
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Yeah - deep cover as a private school educator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g079...be.fMzzBPQKzLw

That was the interview that got him kicked out of the CIA
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That was the interview that got him kicked out of the CIA
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So you are of the mind that he falls into the catagory of Stanton Friedman
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So you are of the mind that he falls into the catagory of Stanton Friedman
More along the lines of his conspiracy theorist central interviewer in the video - Alex Jones.
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Criminy! The alleged officer who was asked the question by another alleged officer, as alleged by the alleged officer who spoke to the alleged "Dr" - who was speaking with the alleged journalist - really screwed up.

When asked if he would "kill Americans who wouldn't give up their guns" he should not have answered "no".

Even as a young buck sergeant, I knew the proper answer to any and all such questions was "Well, it depends on the situation"!

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Old 10-15-2013, 15:42   #28
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I believe it!

Of course I thought Confessions of a Dangerous Mind was a darn good documentary.
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Killing high-profile people supposedly in possession of "dangerous information" doesn't seem like a good strategy given modern technology.
It just attracts attention and any "dangerous information" found is too easy to disseminate.

If I were to put on tin foil it would be for the implications of all the flag/general officers being fired.
Don't know enough about the military to understand how important it is, but it is disconcerting.
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Misuse of the Patriot Act, NSA spying, etc...I wouldn't consider "grandiose" conspiracies.

Today that is easy to for you or me to say.

But not all that long ago there were many people who considered that type of talk as a mere conspiracy and it was something you should not worry about.....and anyone who brought up or endorsed the concern was CrAzY.

I know Alex Jones has been going on about this stuff since way before 1999 (Police State 1) because there was this guy at work that listened to this loon named Alex Jones during break and went on rants during lunch as to where things were headed. It was all stuff that you never heard about on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and the new kid on the block Fox News.

Everyone laughed and would tell him he was nuts

Who provides more credible news Infowars, Breitbart, Zerohedge, MSNBC, CNN or Fox News?

Who is telling the truth Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, Chris Matthews or Sean Hannity?


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http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/...condemned.html
Is the US so exceptional we are immune to those same activities?
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