06-21-2013, 22:17
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I'm far less worried about the Clinton's stance on abortion or their logic distortion field.
I'm far more worried about the Clinton family's relentless and methodical effort to join the rest of the political family dynasties in America.
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06-22-2013, 12:00
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Yes.
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06-24-2013, 15:02
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Since I'm having a hard time mentally aligning this, let me get this straight--its against the law to kill an unborn baby in the commission of a crime (Unborn Victims Act, new Colorado law charging felonies if a fetus is harmed) because a fetus is a recognized human being that can be a victim, but its ok for the mother to kill the same fetus, because its not a recognized human being?
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06-24-2013, 15:37
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Originally Posted by Razor
Since I'm having a hard time mentally aligning this, let me get this straight--its against the law to kill an unborn baby in the commission of a crime (Unborn Victims Act, new Colorado law charging felonies if a fetus is harmed) because a fetus is a recognized human being that can be a victim, but its ok for the mother to kill the same fetus, because its not a recognized human being?
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I've wondered about the same thing - has this issue been brought up in court?
Can a counselor comment on this?
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06-24-2013, 15:49
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Originally Posted by Razor
Since I'm having a hard time mentally aligning this, let me get this straight--its against the law to kill an unborn baby in the commission of a crime (Unborn Victims Act, new Colorado law charging felonies if a fetus is harmed) because a fetus is a recognized human being that can be a victim, but its ok for the mother to kill the same fetus, because its not a recognized human being?
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Welcome to Liberal Logic 101.
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06-24-2013, 17:20
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Originally Posted by Razor
Since I'm having a hard time mentally aligning this, let me get this straight--its against the law to kill an unborn baby in the commission of a crime (Unborn Victims Act, new Colorado law charging felonies if a fetus is harmed) because a fetus is a recognized human being that can be a victim, but its ok for the mother to kill the same fetus, because its not a recognized human being?
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Yes, if you cause the demise of the unborn child, you can be charged with murder. Unless you have MD after your name, are a pharmacist, or the mother.
The same people will also defend to the death a serial child molesting, raping, murderer, lawfully convicted and sentenced by his peers.
No death penalty. He's got rights, you know.
The innocent unborn baby, not so much.
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06-25-2013, 00:43
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FWIW, the attachment provides a break down of the 10.86 million services that Planned Parenthood provided in 2011. Of that total, 65% were not related to contraception or abortion.
A second point. In the 2012 presidential election, women in swing states had a different constellation of priorities than men and more confidence overall in the Democratic Party's ability to address those issues << LINK1>>. IMO, I don't know how the GOP is going to get more women to vote Republican if its rank and file members do not find different ways to address issues that are important to women who are not already going to vote for Republican candidates. But hey, let's try bashing the daughter and mother of the most respected woman in America << LINK2>>. That approach worked wonders last fall.
A comment. I would be extraordinarily cautious about linking "white supremacy" to the modern Democratic Party's positions on women's health issues << LINK3>><< LINK4>><< LINK5>>.
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06-25-2013, 16:03
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I wonder how the "most respected woman in America" is doing since she let four of her subordinates die and said "who cares?"
Do Americans care?
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06-25-2013, 19:51
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A comment. I would be extraordinarily cautious about linking "white supremacy" to the modern Democratic Party's positions on women's health issues
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You wouldn't be fishing, would you?
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06-25-2013, 20:32
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Originally Posted by Sigaba
FWIW, the attachment provides a break down of the 10.86 million services that Planned Parenthood provided in 2011. Of that total, 65% were not related to contraception or abortion.
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When I look at the PDF, I see >300,000 cases of innocents being murdered by that organization. Do a few million non abortion services make up for that? Not in my mind. Of course, that is only my opinion.
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07-11-2013, 17:00
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You wouldn't be fishing, would you?
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No. Just been spending time in the library.
The comment was in reply to a line of thought presented in post #12.
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07-11-2013, 17:26
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Had forgotten about this thread.
Maternal grandmother, huh?
Her dad can sympathize.
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