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[Go Devil]

Like I stated, collaborators.

The only intended result in pandering to the immigrant is to secure power for themselves.

Tell me what a sub culture with a high birth rate and an expepected low wage is going to garner but a massive addition to welfare and social security costs laid upon my back?

Like I stated, the Republican Party is dead and thus ineffectual.

[The Reaper]

So old Jeb wants to let the Hispanics in and give them amnesty, then woo them into the Republican party, like they have attracted black voters.

Hmm.

Looks like about 10,000,000 new Democratic voters to me, with an open invitation for more. Write Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, and Florida off the electoral map for the Repubs, permanently. Alta Mexico returns.

Great strategy.

TR

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

So old Jeb wants to let the Hispanics in and give them amnesty, then woo them into the Republican party, like they have attracted black voters.

Hmm.

Looks like about 10,000,000 new Democratic voters to me, with an open invitation for more. Write Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, and Florida off the electoral map for the Repubs, permanently. Alta Mexico returns.

Great strategy.

TR

Same attitude I had until I thought it all the way through.

If a 200-mph racecar driver knows he's going into the wall at some point, sometimes it causes less damage to avoid centrifugal momentum and drive into it immediately.

Assimilation of these illegals is 100% imminent. This Country will never be able to take the correct action of rounding them up and deporting all of them. Next best thing is to make Conservatives out of them; or try to.

It's just one of those irreversible events such as homo Scouts and Soldiers, female grunts, Plan B, ad nauseum.

All we can hope for is to minimize the damage until we get the communists out of political control.

The plan is for the bill to die in the House, to be used by the dems as propaganda for the "Republicans are hater racists" programs in the 2014 Congressionals.

Caveat...as long as the borders are secured first.

[PSM]

Suicide!

In 2012, President Obama famously won 71 percent of the Hispanic vote to Mitt Romney's 27 percent. If all other factors remained the same, how large a percentage of the Hispanic vote would Romney have had to win to capture the White House?

What if Romney had won 44 percent of the Hispanic vote, the high-water mark for Republicans achieved by George W. Bush in 2004? As it turns out, if Romney had hit that Bush mark, he still would have lost, with 240 electoral votes to 298 for Obama.

But what if Romney had been able to make history and attract 50 percent of Hispanic voters? What then? He still would have been beaten, 283 electoral votes to 255.

What if Romney had been able to do something absolutely astonishing for a Republican and win 60 percent of the Hispanic vote? He would have lost by the same margin, 283 electoral votes to 255.

But what if Romney had been able to reach a mind-blowing 70 percent of the Hispanic vote? Surely that would have meant victory, right? No, it wouldn't. Romney still would have lost, although by the narrowest of electoral margins, 270 to 268. (Under that scenario, Romney would have won the popular vote but lost in the Electoral College; he could have racked up huge numbers of Hispanic votes in California, New York and Texas, for example, and not changed the results in those states.)

According to the Times' calculator, Romney would have had to win 73 percent of the Hispanic vote to prevail in 2012. Which suggests that Romney, and Republicans, had bigger problems than Hispanic voters.

Full article: http://washingtonexaminer.com/byron-...rticle/2528730

That ain't going to happen.

Pat

[Stobey]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

So old Jeb wants to let the Hispanics in and give them amnesty, then woo them into the Republican party, like they have attracted black voters.

Hmm.

Looks like about 10,000,000 new Democratic voters to me, with an open invitation for more. Write Arizona, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, and Florida off the electoral map for the Repubs, permanently. Alta Mexico returns.

Great strategy.

TR

I concur with you 100% on your assessment Reaper -Sir!

With the current welfare state firmly in place in the U.S., all of those illegal aliens are going to vote for the party that promises them the "good life". (They don't stop to think about what happens when the welfare well runs dry!) In addition, with "chain migration" you are talking about, what, maybe 30 million or more new Democrats?

There is a reason why this is Obummer's No. 1 priority. It will establish a permanent Democrat majority; and his ACORN-types won't have to go all out with voter fraud to win future elections.

If you'll pardon my crudity, Jeb Bush has his head up his ass, and is NO friend of this Republic. Remember the huge mistake Ronald Reagan made back in 1986? "Amnesty with secure borders"? We got the amnesty alright; but we never got the secure borders. We are STILL waiting for that to happen. There are those among us who see the sovereign nation-state as a thing of the past; and I'm afraid the entire Bush family is among them.

Remember the SPP (Security and Prosperity Partnership) boondoggle back in 2005?
Yes, that's the one that would have essentially erased the borders between the United States, Canada and Mexico. President George Bush was front and center on that with then Mexican president, Vicente Fox, and the then current president of Canada. Pres. Bush even went so far as to call the "minutemen" watching our southern border and reporting what they were seeing to the Border Patrol, as "vigilantes".

No, it appears obvious that some - if not most - of these "elites" do not want our borders secured. That leads to loss of sovereignty. In my book that makes them traitors. (This was a page taken directly from the CFR handbook. The same sort of page back in 1957 - the Treaty of Rome - that set in motion the plans for the European Onion - OK "Union". We see how well that has worked out haven't we? This was supposedly all about TRADE. Well as some of us have been able to figure out, it was NOT all about trade - it was about consolidation of power. As far as I'm concerned, fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.)

The only newsman who even mentioned this back then was (old marine) Lou Dobbs on CNN. No-one else breathed so much as a word about it - not Sean Hannity, not Bill ("we're looking out for you") O'Reilly, nobody. Two years later, in 2007, Glenn Beck raised the subject as if it was breaking news. No, that news was 2 years old.

Anymore, I watch carefully what these politicians DO, not what they say. All too often they have a habit of doing serious damage to what is left of the Republic.
I'm still hopeful that Allen West might be able to run for president. He seems to be a man with his eyes open, with no politically correct illusions, and a true patriot.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Dusty

Same attitude I had until I thought it all the way through.

If a 200-mph racecar driver knows he's going into the wall at some point, sometimes it causes less damage to avoid centrifugal momentum and drive into it immediately.

Assimilation of these illegals is 100% imminent. This Country will never be able to take the correct action of rounding them up and deporting all of them. Next best thing is to make Conservatives out of them; or try to.

It's just one of those irreversible events such as homo Scouts and Soldiers, female grunts, Plan B, ad nauseum.

All we can hope for is to minimize the damage until we get the communists out of political control.

The plan is for the bill to die in the House, to be used by the dems as propaganda for the "Republicans are hater racists" programs in the 2014 Congressionals.

Caveat...as long as the borders are secured first.

There is some truth in your 200 mph analogy, however in this case you better have a plan in place for after the smoke clears and you had better have a plan that sets you apart from your competition. Secondly, amnesty is nearly 100% assured but assimulation into society is not.

At present I see the Repubs as a party of oppourtunists that changes direction at the slightest breeze.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by STOBEY

If you'll pardon my crudity, Jeb Bush has his head up his ass, and is NO friend of this Republic.

There's probably nobody on this board more Conservative-leaning than myself, but sometimes you have to be pragmatic without capitulating. Suppose you have a choice between Jeb and Hillary; you have 3 actions to take:vote for him, vote for her, or don't vote at all. Which would you? If the third choice, you give Hillary a half-vote. Then, we're screwed for 4 more years.

Similarly, we need both sides of Congress in 2014; immigration reform is going to take place, regardless of how strongly you and I oppose it. As long as the borders are secured first as part of the bill, we honestly don't have anything to lose with regard of the rest of it that measures up to the loss of the House in 2014 because we'll be construed as racists for opposing it.

There is just gonna be some legislation that we have to live with, and will never be able to change by being the Party in power, e.g. the female vote.

I think most people would be surprised to learn why the dems want the bill passed, anyway (apart from the election strategy).

Did you read Hanson's take on it?

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...anson/page/0/1

[ddoering]

Originally Posted by Dusty

There's probably nobody on this board more Conservative-leaning than myself, but sometimes you have to be pragmatic without capitulating. Suppose you have a choice between Jeb and Hillary; you have 3 actions to take:vote for him, vote for her, or don't vote at all. Which would you? If the third choice, you give Hillary a half-vote. Then, we're screwed for 4 more years.

Similarly, we need both sides of Congress in 2014; immigration reform is going to take place, regardless of how strongly you and I oppose it. As long as the borders are secured first as part of the bill, we honestly don't have anything to lose with regard of the rest of it that measures up to the loss of the House in 2014 because we'll be construed as racists for opposing it.

There is just gonna be some legislation that we have to live with, and will never be able to change by being the Party in power, e.g. the female vote.

I think most people would be surprised to learn why the dems want the bill passed, anyway (apart from the election strategy).

Did you read Hanson's take on it?

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...anson/page/0/1

I will vote for Hillary and prepare for the chaos that will ensue. These assholes are taking the country to hell in a handcart and I believe we should all help them pump. When the money dries up and they can't deliver on their promises the mob will turn on them and I will watch from a safe location. Think of it as political jujitsu.

[Stobey]

Originally Posted by Dusty

There's probably nobody on this board more Conservative-leaning than myself, but sometimes you have to be pragmatic without capitulating. Suppose you have a choice between Jeb and Hillary; you have 3 actions to take:vote for him, vote for her, or don't vote at all. Which would you? If the third choice, you give Hillary a half-vote. Then, we're screwed for 4 more years.

Similarly, we need both sides of Congress in 2014; immigration reform is going to take place, regardless of how strongly you and I oppose it. As long as the borders are secured first as part of the bill, we honestly don't have anything to lose with regard of the rest of it that measures up to the loss of the House in 2014 because we'll be construed as racists for opposing it.

There is just gonna be some legislation that we have to live with, and will never be able to change by being the Party in power, e.g. the female vote.

I think most people would be surprised to learn why the dems want the bill passed, anyway (apart from the election strategy).

Did you read Hanson's take on it?

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...anson/page/0/1

Thank you for the link to Hanson's article. I think it is excellent.

What nobody addresses is what are all of those business owners - especially agribusiness - going to do when all of the illegal aliens (now) become legal? Does anyone think that those newly-legalized are going to want to remain picking fruit & vegetables, or working as hotel maids, or in the (what was once GOOD work) meat industry for the paltry wages they currently receive? Hell no! Neither would you, or I, or anyone with a brain in their heads. They are going to look for better jobs, with better pay and better benefits - and with affirmative action, and other "race-based" set-asides and preferences, they will get them; most likely ahead of American citizens who are more qualified.

Then the country will need even MORE illegal aliens to "do the jobs that Americans just won't do" (for the slave wages, lousy working conditions and NO benefits).
And we STILL will not see our southern border secured! These "elites" seem determined to create a permanent underclass, into which more and more of what used to be the "middle class" will fall into, as good jobs become even more scarce than they are already. And the once-great United States will start to resemble, more and more, a third class banana republic. We are already well on our way.

Last November, I held my nose and voted for Mitt Romney, even though he was certainly not the best man for the job. Unfortunately, as other posters have noted, we are essentially given the choice of THE LESSER OF TWO WEEVILS come election time; because only those "vetted" by the "elites" ever make it to that level in national politics. Anybody outside of Oklahoma ever hear of Sen. Inhofe? Not many. Nor will they, because he seems to be an honest conservative; and as such has already reached the "glass ceiling" in politics beyond which most can never go. (And the "handlers", like Karl Rove, will see to it that not many hear of him - or anyone like him. And boy did the Rinos in Congress ever do a job on Michele Bachmann, who is not going to run for re-election.)

Conversely, before 2008, did many people (outside of the activist circles of Chicago) ever hear of Barack Hussein Obama? Nope. How did HE, as a pissant junior senator, get to become the Democratic front-runner for the 2008 presidential election?? You gotta wonder. Something definitely stinks - and it isn't just in Denmark - it's right here in the good old U.S. of A.. And it has been for some time now.

If you want a good read try "Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time" by Carroll Quigley. Try to get a version printed in Taiwan if possible; because shortly after the book was printed the powers that be thought that Quigley revealed a little too much of their game plan. They had all the copies they could recalled and heavily edited, then re-issued.

And, with all due respect, sir, if all of that sounds a little too tinfoil-hat for you, consider this quote from Benjamin Disraeli: “The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.”
That was from one who knew.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by STOBEY

Then the country will need even MORE illegal aliens to "do the jobs that Americans just won't do" (for the slave wages, lousy working conditions and NO benefits).
And we STILL will not see our southern border secured! These "elites" seem determined to create a permanent underclass, into which more and more of what used to be the "middle class" will fall into, as good jobs become even more scarce than they are already. And the once-great United States will start to resemble, more and more, a third class banana republic. We are already well on our way.

Yep and that is how it works.

20-30 years ago there was a booming business in family owned pork and chicken in Dusty's AO. You can still see the vast remnants of this this thriving business up and down the highway.

With the assistance of the USDA and EPA, Tyson's bought these businesses or put them out of business and they put the farm kids and their knowledge to work. In the beginning they paid a good wage with benefits, then at some point they started bringing in Mexicans for cheaper labor and after that they brought in cheaper Somali's refugees to work at the poultry plants.....as noted below.

NOEL, Mo. — The Elk River makes the turn under the overhanging cliffs at the edge of this Ozarks town to flow just below the quaint business district.

On a recent afternoon, customers shopped for fresh eggs and calf feed in Landon’s Feed & Seed. A man touched his brim to two women coming out of the cafe. Senior citizens chatted in front of the post office.

Then a young man’s shout filled the street: “F… you, n…..r!”

He jumped in a pickup where a friend waited and sped away. Inside an old storefront, now an Islamic mosque, those preparing to pray carried on.

It happens here, the n-word. Other slurs for other people, too. From the heart they come — loud, with spit.

And the river keeps rolling. Doing what it’s done for decades — bring visitors to pretty little Noel, nicknamed the Christmas City…

…“Some people don’t hide the fact they don’t like what’s going on here,” said Mayor James Carroll, who tries to keep things calm.

There’s no denying a seething undertone of discomfort bred by a mixing of cultures. The town gets too quiet, with too many stares. Some people are scared.

In recent years, hundreds of immigrants have come to Noel to work in a Tyson Foods chicken plant…

…Two other people told The Star they wouldn’t care a lick if the Tyson plant and its 1,500 jobs burned to the ground. Some here think more of those jobs should have gone to locals.

Last October, about 130 mostly Somali workers walked out of the plant during a dispute with officials over prayer time. As they gathered on Main Street, fear grew that the incident could turn violent. Several armed local men were stopped by law enforcement, according to Carroll, the mayor.

A dozen Highway Patrol troopers and sheriff’s officials arrived in force…

…Today, nearly a thousand of the plant’s 1,500 workers are considered minorities, Sparkman said. Hourly wages run from $9.05 to $10.70, with the average on the high end.

The plant, next to the River Ranch Resort and across from Rosa’s Mexican Store, runs 24/7, three shifts. Tractor-trailers constantly run in and out — live chickens going in, packaged legs, thighs and boneless breasts headed out.

The processing work is hard, dangerous, cold, and, according to workers, a little nasty. But it is meat processing. Nasty is on the menu.

Still, workers appreciate Tyson for giving them jobs. Whatever the duty, it is better than what they had before.

“Somalis come from a place of civil war,” said Farah Burale, who works at Tyson and helps foreign workers get accustomed to working in America. “There was no government. No police. Kids with AK-47s. They all know somebody killed there.

“Here, they work, make money to live and even send some home.”

Noel works better for them than a large city. Rent here is usually only $450 or so. They live cheap.

Plus, as Burale said: “Chicken plants don’t need English.”

It is all true, what they don't tell you is that Noel has become a Company Town and a scarey no mans land of violence and illegal activity that the locals don't like. The Mexicans sell drugs and the Somalis......aside from their religious rituals they don't mention that prior to this incident the FBI busted a terrorist cell with bomb making materials.

On the other side of the 71 highway, they have a Baptist Church with a Black Ethiopian Minster to an all white congregation.

It's not as much about about race as it is about the non-assimilating scourge that Tyson's and others have brought into the community.


Cheap always comes with a hidden price.

[Dusty]

I don't condone instant legality/citizenship/rights. I'm aware how detrimental that would be.

I'm saying we can't fight that battle head-on. We need to reacquire the power inherent in the posession of both Houses in combination with the Presidency, and we have to get the Senate in 2014 in order to do that. We won't do that if the dems are able to pull the race card, again.

Sure; it's a distasteful strategem, and desperate. The times call for that type of action.

[Badger52]

Originally Posted by ddoering

When the money dries up and they can't deliver on their promises the mob will turn on them and I will watch from a safe location. Think of it as political jujitsu.

("No Time for Sergeants" in the Purple Grotto.)
"Ya want some keroseeeeene, ya get some keroseeene."

Hand 'em a match & listen for the flashoff.

[tonyz]

Originally Posted by Dusty

I don't condone instant legality/citizenship/rights. I'm aware how detrimental that would be.

I'm saying we can't fight that battle head-on. We need to reacquire the power inherent in the posession of both Houses in combination with the Presidency, and we have to get the Senate in 2014 in order to do that. We won't do that if the dems are able to pull the race card, again.

Sure; it's a distasteful strategem, and desperate. The times call for that type of action.

Concur - this is distasteful.

If we must reward law breakers (and IMO, lawful residency in the US is still a reward) - a pathway to lawful residency not citizenship (no voting rights) unless and until they duly apply and qualify as a citizen is a reasonable approach.

But, we must fix the leak first (secure the border) or at least simultaneously with this or any similar program or we face the same shit in a decade or so.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by tonyz

But, we must fix the leak first (secure the border) or at least simultaneously with this or any similar program or we face the same shit in a decade or so.

It'd be necessary to do everything possible to make that happen, regardless.