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Old 05-04-2013, 09:09   #16
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"If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed which could not possibly have been formed by numerous successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."
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Insect metamorphosis.
What conclusion is yielded applying critical thinking skills and the great scientist's standard for his own theory?
Oh Please! And your point is?
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:17   #17
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Oh Please! And your point is?
Same-sex marriage prohibits progeny.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:23   #19
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Oh Please! And your point is?
Analyzing evolution is one area where critical thinking is not welcome.
Critical thinking is only welcomed after evolution is accepted as an unchallenged assumption.
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Old 05-04-2013, 09:32   #20
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Analyzing evolution is one area where critical thinking is not welcome.
Critical thinking is only welcomed after evolution is accepted as an unchallenged assumption.
OK, this thread is about the technological challenges to human survival. I am not going to debate evolution with you here. Neither am I inclined to get into a faith vs science debate anywhere else for that matter. So, DO NOT BAIT ME!!

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OK, this thread is about the technological challenges to human survival. I am not going to debate evolution with you here. Neither am I inclined to get into a faith vs science debate anywhere else for that matter. So, DO NOT BAIT ME!!

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Message received loud and clear.
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Old 05-04-2013, 12:07   #22
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OK, this thread is about the technological challenges to human survival. I am not going to debate evolution with you here. Neither am I inclined to get into a faith vs science debate anywhere else for that matter. So, DO NOT BAIT ME!!

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Not trying to bait you but evolution on a macro scale is not science.
Micro evolution is science..i.e. blind fish species that develop when in underground lightless evnirons for years...they lost their eyes...however, they are still fish and the loss of the eyes was a negative (loss of building blocks) change to their DNA.
From this type of example some extrapolate to macro evolution...one species developing into another species. There is no evidence of this...no evidence of DNA adding building blocks...none.
There has never been observed a DNA 'addition' that allowed one species to become another species.
The other argument is we are very close to being an APE DNA wise, we are also very close to being a pig DNA wise...all mamals are close in many DNA respects otherwise we would not be able to eat and assimilate their energy etc. One of the reasons you do not like to eat wood (no pun).
Every example scientists use of evolution is micro, but always within the same species grouping, this bird developed this etc over time....but it is still a bird.
If you go to the Smithsonian and see the display of that 4 legged whatever it is developing into a horse ask what they used to make the models....baby and yearling colts...because there never was the 'links' they made up.
It, too, is a facinating study and I'm not approaching this thru religion...strictly science.
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Not trying to bait you but evolution on a macro scale is not science.
Micro evolution is science..i.e. blind fish species that develop when in underground lightless evnirons for years...they lost their eyes...however, they are still fish and the loss of the eyes was a negative (loss of building blocks) change to their DNA.
From this type of example some extrapolate to macro evolution...one species developing into another species. There is no evidence of this...no evidence of DNA adding building blocks...none.
There has never been observed a DNA 'addition' that allowed one species to become another species.
The other argument is we are very close to being an APE DNA wise, we are also very close to being a pig DNA wise...all mamals are close in many DNA respects otherwise we would not be able to eat and assimilate their energy etc. One of the reasons you do not like to eat wood (no pun).
Every example scientists use of evolution is micro, but always within the same species grouping, this bird developed this etc over time....but it is still a bird.
If you go to the Smithsonian and see the display of that 4 legged whatever it is developing into a horse ask what they used to make the models....baby and yearling colts...because there never was the 'links' they made up.
It, too, is a facinating study and I'm not approaching this thru religion...strictly science.
Let's discuss this in a different thread that is more topical. I will be glad to start a new thread - "Darwinian Evolution as a Viable Explanation for the Diversity of Species" and we can discuss this. Should be an interesting discussion.

If we do this, I suggest that we make it a rule to not bring religion or faith into the discussion. Just no evidenciary basis for a discussion about matters of faith and personal beliefs IMO and to attempt do so always ends up in scattalogy. For example, the first time I read a post advocating that the Universe is only 9,000 years old as evidence, then, I'm done. Everyone is entitled to their faith based beliefs and I will always try to respect that. We just are not entitled to our own facts to support our beliefs.

Let me know what you think?
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Old 05-04-2013, 15:57   #24
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Let me know what you think?
I think we all get to play respectfully or people will be encouraged to take their ball and go play elsewhere.
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Old 05-04-2013, 18:53   #25
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The headline is accurate, the premise.... maybe not so much.

At our current rates of population growth, in ten thousand years there will be a person for every square yard of dry land on earth -deserts and mountainsides included.

The kicker is that long before, we'll have run out of ways to feed that many people.
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Old 05-04-2013, 19:51   #26
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Total fertility rate for the world: 2.47 children born per woman.
Not facing any imminent population boom.

The current population boom is largely attributable to increased longevity.
If technology starts reducing he population (by whatever means), then there will eventually be insufficient people to maintain that technology.
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Old 05-04-2013, 22:50   #27
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It amazes me the doom and gloom of science these days. It is usually followed by give me money to fix this issue and research. Yea It is bullshit. Global warming is a prime example. The earths temperature has risen and fallen many times before man kind according to the same experts. Now the powers that be have come up with ways to make billions on this bullshit. Al Gore is a prime example. He is noting less than a snake oil sales man, a real piece of shit.

We will have tidal waves, volcanic eruptions etc etc just like the past. We have survived this long so why lay awake at night worrying about it, just enjoy life while we are here. If the world ends then it ends and there isn't jack shit we can do about a comet strike.

BTY on the gay issure here is my view.

Either way you look at it it is wrong.

Bible says it is wrong end of story.

From a evolutionary point of view they gays take up resources without the drive to procreate so they serve no purpose.

BTW I do NOT think we should burn them at the steak etc but it is morally wrong. Just my opinion.
Wow! I'm not sure what Gay or NotGay has to do with the OP, but:

What about the significant part of the world for whom the Bible has no meaning, is it okay with you if they are Gay? Also...do you eat pork, pay or collect interest, etc. etc. etc.?

Lots of people who don't procreate have usefulness in our society. There are lots of reasons people don't procreate, being gay is just one of them.

Finally, anyone who burns steaks should be shot! (Anything over medium should result in the same fate. IMHNCO)

But - once again - How On Earth does Gay or NotGay have anything to do with the End of the World?
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