03-25-2013, 17:01
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Originally Posted by FlagDayNCO
Thanks again to Richard, for setting the horizon level.
The grabbing and holding of the ammo and weapons by distributors is amazing. As mentioned, enough of them yell Second Amendment, but think in terms of Dollars.
We have a local shop that is family run and most people agree it is a decent place to purchase. I had mixed feelings on a few occasions, after I experienced the "increased costs" have migrated into other business transactions. The prices on the instant background check run through the Commonwealth went to $40.00 each, at this particular shop. One phone call for two lowers I had transferred in cost me $80.00. The Commonwealth charges less than $3.00 for the call.
They even had the balls to try and charge me for a manufacturer repair, when all the costs including shipping were covered by the manufacturer.
They're selling ammo "cheaper than other stores in the area", but at 5% to 10% less than the extremely higher prices of the other guys.
No, I will not return to this shop.
It does show that even as they are pro 2A, they're running the people through the grinder.
Except for a couple parts, I have everything I need, thankfully. The parts will come through, eventually.
There must be one hell of a warehouse piled high with Bolt Carrier Groups, though.  |
From a machining perspective the Bolt Carrier is one of the hardest parts to manufacture. IIRC, it takes between 60 and 90 minutes of machining per carrier.
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06-20-2013, 05:41
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Hoarding is a major issue. People grabbing anything they can when they spot it available. Another issue is the low life's that are buying in bulk by bringing their entire extended family with them to sell it at a gun show. Some of these know the delivery dates at the box stores or are padding the pockets of the box store employees. Then, they fill up an entire cart with high demand ammo and when they get to the register, each of the 15 relative buys 3 cases. In the mean time, #16 is standing by with another 48 cases on a different cart. Wen the first cart is loaded into the car/truck, they go in to a different cashier and do the same routine again. 3 boxes per person and a case counts as a box in the stores like bass pro. So, their shelves are wiped out and the guy has 93 cases of ammo to sell at a seriously marked up price come gun show weekend.
This problem will not resolve itself until people stop panic buying and buy only to replenish their "standard" stockpile. For me, that is around 5K total rounds for all calibers I need. Not 5K each, but total. That feeds 30 guns for 7 people including the grand kids. (All but 2 are my guns). I do plan on increasing the size of my stash because of this occurrence but not exorbitantly so. Bear in mind, that on rang day, all of us go through more than 2K rounds just for practice. These numbers do not include the 22 that we burn up. That is bonus plinking. Also, I plan on attending a lot of tactical training and will be using boat loads of 45 and 5.56 for a while with that.
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06-20-2013, 11:50
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Thanks TR l've been waiting to buy a Sig M11 for months, hopefully by spring then.
Hi-Powers are even getting into the old 1911 price range and range time has suffered to conserve the few hundred high quality rounds left. 38's (soft) are at least available here at a reasonable price.
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06-20-2013, 13:09
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I am seriously considering buying a 270 just because I can find ammo for it. I have seen plenty of it, plenty of variaty / grains, and at a decent (dollar or less per round) price. It's a good round for a bolt gun, you can hunt most anything in North America with it, why not? Yup, next buy is a Rem 700 BDL in 270
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06-20-2013, 14:04
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I am seriously considering buying a 270 just because I can find ammo for it. I have seen plenty of it, plenty of variaty / grains, and at a decent (dollar or less per round) price. It's a good round for a bolt gun, you can hunt most anything in North America with it, why not? Yup, next buy is a Rem 700 BDL in 270
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An under rated flat shooter that's quite effective for Elk...
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06-20-2013, 17:52
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Hoarding is a major issue. People grabbing anything they can when they spot it available. Another issue is the low life's that are buying in bulk by bringing their entire extended family with them to sell it at a gun show. Some of these know the delivery dates at the box stores or are padding the pockets of the box store employees. Then, they fill up an entire cart with high demand ammo and when they get to the register, each of the 15 relative buys 3 cases. In the mean time, #16 is standing by with another 48 cases on a different cart. Wen the first cart is loaded into the car/truck, they go in to a different cashier and do the same routine again. 3 boxes per person and a case counts as a box in the stores like bass pro. So, their shelves are wiped out and the guy has 93 cases of ammo to sell at a seriously marked up price come gun show weekend.
This problem will not resolve itself until people stop panic buying and buy only to replenish their "standard" stockpile. For me, that is around 5K total rounds for all calibers I need. Not 5K each, but total. That feeds 30 guns for 7 people including the grand kids. (All but 2 are my guns). I do plan on increasing the size of my stash because of this occurrence but not exorbitantly so. Bear in mind, that on rang day, all of us go through more than 2K rounds just for practice. These numbers do not include the 22 that we burn up. That is bonus plinking. Also, I plan on attending a lot of tactical training and will be using boat loads of 45 and 5.56 for a while with that.
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So you are shooting 40% of your total ammo inventory every time you go to the range, and wind up with less than 100 rounds per weapon on hand when you are done?
2,000 rounds will cost more than $1500 to replace, if it were available.
If this is the case, sorry, but I have to question your logic.
TR
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06-20-2013, 20:09
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Since were talking Ammo. My expendable 7.62 Ammo is getting low.
I have .45 and 5.56 73 grain HP. Also 62 grain 5.56 AP. Looking to trade for 7.62 one for one. I know 7.62 cost more. But someone might need what I have, vice verse.
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06-22-2013, 08:46
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So you are shooting 40% of your total ammo inventory every time you go to the range, and wind up with less than 100 rounds per weapon on hand when you are done?
2,000 rounds will cost more than $1500 to replace, if it were available.
If this is the case, sorry, but I have to question your logic.
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Haven't been to the range since the ammo crunch hit. Each range trip was immediately preceded by an ammo purchase to cover projected use as well as additional "range" stock purchased as I find it on sale. We use primarily FMJ rounds for practice and keep our HD and hunting stock relatively untouched most of the time. The step son and his wife just blow ammo, so I get the cheapest garbage I can find for them. I get quality, but not precision rounds for my and the grand kids practice. Premium ammo is what is kept in stock. Unfortunately, I can't get stepson to understand the purpose of keeping arms and to stop treating them like fire works. Fortunately, the kids listen.
Any way, that is why the numbers seem off. I don't even count range ammo that I stock up but only count HD ammo.
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06-22-2013, 09:13
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Here I'm starting to see 9mm, .40 and .45 on the shelves for days not minutes. Walmart , Academy Sports and Gander are keeping low end ARs in stock. .22 is still in short supply and still goes quickly. I'm also hearing locally that a munber of horders have over spent and will not be able to break even if they sell.  Ar mags are also almost back to list price. Magpul Gen. 2 for less that $19 at Academy. This may not hold true in other areas.
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06-22-2013, 10:00
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Here I'm starting to see 9mm, .40 and .45 on the shelves for days not minutes. Walmart , Academy Sports and Gander are keeping low end ARs in stock. .22 is still in short supply and still goes quickly. I'm also hearing locally that a munber of horders have over spent and will not be able to break even if they sell. Ar mags are also almost back to list price. Magpul Gen. 2 for less that $19 at Academy. This may not hold true in other areas. |
Same here.
I saw probably 15-20 AR variants at Ed's the other day.
Mags are readily available, some MILSPECs as low as $11 each.
Ammo is slowly coming back, 5.56 is back under $500/M.
Components are the only thing still in real shortage.
I hope the profiteers get their asses burned.
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06-22-2013, 10:19
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I hope the profiteers get their asses burned.
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Hear, hear!
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06-22-2013, 10:57
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a buddy got 50rds 9mm for less than $10 at walmart last week  He did some jedi mind trick and got 4 boxes instead of 3. NO, I'm not telling which walmart it is 
You may laugh, but I'm going to BB for gun- handling practice and my 1960's .177 pellet pistol for precision practice. The 1000fps+ .177 is also good for scoped precision practice. No substitute for semiauto precision hard hold practice though. Then there's always the EST system on post. It pays devident to take a few hours and get certified to operate it
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06-22-2013, 15:44
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a buddy got 50rds 9mm for less than $10 at walmart last week He did some jedi mind trick and got 4 boxes instead of 3. NO, I'm not telling which walmart it is
You may laugh, but I'm going to BB for gun- handling practice and my 1960's .177 pellet pistol for precision practice. The 1000fps+ .177 is also good for scoped precision practice. No substitute for semiauto precision hard hold practice though. Then there's always the EST system on post. It pays devident to take a few hours and get certified to operate it |
Funny, I've been shooting the Pellet rifle more lately as well
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06-22-2013, 18:52
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One thing I am wondering is how this is affecting range time for units. Is the price increase affecting Redtrain budgets and are they having a hard time getting the ammo into inventory? I realize that deployed units have priority and can get what they need, but is range training and qualification cut back?
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06-22-2013, 21:03
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I am seeing 7.62x39 online in both FMJ and Hollow point. I am hoping to find some Wolf .223 soon.
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