01-30-2013, 06:17
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So 33army, make a choice yet? Both a folder and sheath knife have their positive attributes for your wife's defensive needs, but have you asked her if she has a preference?
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01-30-2013, 06:43
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So 33army, make a choice yet? Both a folder and sheath knife have their positive attributes for your wife's defensive needs, but have you asked her if she has a preference?
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Couple of factors I think could be taken into consideration:
You can get away with a clipped folder in many places a sheath knife would be discouraged, prohibited, or have to be concealed.
Speaking from personal experience, I can deploy my Native very nearly as fast as I can deploy any of my belt knives.
IMHO, proficiency in technique is the qualifier in using either.
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01-31-2013, 00:11
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Personally I'd go for the Enyo for EDC for personal protection. I like the way it fits in my hand. (when I can get it away from the Troll...) Wish there'd been cool knives like the Enyo when I was in...
I EDC a folder right now, but that's because it's a little more discrete in civilian clothes.
That said, practice, practice, practice on the draw. If she's not comfortable with the knife, it could be more of a hindrance than help.
Also getting to know the names of the higher ranks among the Romanians might be a good idea. Working on her SA can help keep her out of situations too.
Of course, another thing for her to consider is that everything is a weapon. I've done a bit of damage with a fork before.
Tell her my prayers are with her, that's not a fun situation.
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01-31-2013, 09:36
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All other things being equal a fixed blade will deploy with certainty faster than a folder.
Yes there are edged weapon trained folks that can whip a folding knife out at 95% the speed of light but if that folder ever gets a bit of debris in the mechanism it may not work right.
Don't get me wrong, I like folders but in a high stress emergency average humans may lose fine motor control over muscles and movement so the solution is to use a tool and technique that doesn't need fine motor control. This is why I would think about the fixed blade for carry.
Noted that this group is not "average".
Doc Vail, well stated on "repetitive task transfer".
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01-31-2013, 10:24
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I'm with Mr. Harsey on going with a fixed. Our mind can dance between levels 3 & 4 when faced with that high stress situation, which is all the time a shifty group of Romanians will need...
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It's sound reasoning when you can pack one. If you can't, you better be able to get your folder ready.
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01-31-2013, 10:39
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Just my .02, but I would invest in both as you become able to afford them. Then practice, practice, practice.
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01-31-2013, 10:59
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Gentlemen, I will be purchasing an Enyo. My wife prefers fixed for that specific use due to speed and her size. She does have 2 folders but wants a nice shiny spartan for her tool bag. All if your advice has been invaluable. Feel free to keep the debate going on folder vs. fixed. It has been rather insightful thus far.
And she thanks you all for the support
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01-31-2013, 11:02
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Gentlemen, I will be purchasing an Enyo. My wife prefers fixed for that specific use due to speed and her size. She does have 2 folders but wants a nice shiny spartan for her tool bag. All if your advice has been invaluable. Feel free to keep the debate going on folder vs. fixed. It has been rather insightful thus far.
And she thanks you all for the support
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That's an outstanding choice!
Will she be able to wear it during PT?
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01-31-2013, 11:05
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Originally Posted by Bill Harsey
All other things being equal a fixed blade will deploy with certainty faster than a folder.
Yes there are edged weapon trained folks that can whip a folding knife out at 95% the speed of light but if that folder ever gets a bit of debris in the mechanism it may not work right.
Don't get me wrong, I like folders but in a high stress emergency average humans may lose fine motor control over muscles and movement so the solution is to use a tool and technique that doesn't need fine motor control. This is why I would think about the fixed blade for carry.
Noted that this group is not "average".
Doc Vail, well stated on "repetitive task transfer".
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Thank you Sir, an honor to be noted by you.
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(adapted from: Sherwin B. Nuland, MD, surgeon and author: The Wisdom of the Body, 1997 )
Education is the anti-ignorance we all need to better treat our patients. ss, 2008.
The blade is so sharp that the incision is perfect. They don't realize they've been cut until they're out of the fight: A Surgeon Warrior. I use a knife to defend life and to save it. ss (aka traumadoc)
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01-31-2013, 11:08
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Knives, what I have found out.
Look at these the Spyderco P'Kal. It comes with the Wave device so you can open it as it comes out or pull it out not using the wave device so it comes out folded. I have it and use it for EDC. It is great for the reverse grip (Ice Pick) use. Google it and watch South Narc YouTube videos on its deployment and the Knife Jab. Google Floro Fighting and watch videos on the knife jab. Very simple, very fast and very deadly. It combines simple movements, gross motor skills and a very effective targeting. You can get the P'Kal on Amazon for around $125.
CRKT James Williams line are all great knives for defense, but do not buy from CRKT shop around. His folder line set up for appendix carry are great for EDC. I have the folding Hissatsu again a great knife for reverse grip and rapid deployment. I have not seen or handled his 5 inch fix blade but if it is like any other of his blades it should be very good. I found the folding Hissatsu on Amazon for $65.
The Knife Jab by Floro Fighting is a great tool for the arsenal.
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01-31-2013, 11:21
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You could get her a pair of scissors and a desk.
Click link for hilarious video.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...puVezePd6trYoM
WASHINGTON — Is your workplace getting shot up by a crazed gunman?
No problem — just grab a pair of scissors and fight back!
That’s some of the helpful advice in a new instructional video from the Department of Homeland Security that was posted on the agency’s Web site just a month after the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut.
“If you are caught out in the open and cannot conceal yourself or take cover, you might consider trying to overpower the shooter with whatever means are available,” says the narrator in the video, which shows an office worker pulling scissors out of a desk drawer.
The video, titled “Options for Consideration,” also advises that people who get caught in an “active shooter” situation should run away, hide under a desk or take cover out of the line of fire.
The nearly four-minute-long video opens with chilling scenes from the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre, the 2009 mass shooting at Fort Hood in Texas, and the 2011 attempted assassination of Gabrielle Giffords.
But the video quickly shifts to hokey footage of office workers scampering under desks, crouching in corners and racing into closets to hide from a rampaging gunman on the loose.
“To protect your hiding place, lock the door if you can. Block the door with heavy furniture,” recommends the male narrator, speaking in measured, authoritative tones.
Other survival strategies promoted in the video include hiding “behind large items such as cabinets or desks. Remain quiet. Silence your cellphone or pager. Even the vibration setting can give away a hiding position.”
Richard Feldman, president of the Independent Firearm Owners Association, said he has a better option for consideration than a pair of scissors when confronting an armed mass murderer — a legal firearm.Snip
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01-31-2013, 11:40
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I was told by her that she would wear it at all times
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That's an outstanding choice!
Will she be able to wear it during PT?
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01-31-2013, 11:50
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I was told by her that she would wear it at all times
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Good deal.
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01-31-2013, 13:05
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I was told by her that she would wear it at all times
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My experiences have taken me through various systems. When it relates to knives, I found Kali to work best for me. My wife is about your wife's size and she excels in Silat, but appreciates both systems. The nice thing about them is that you'll start with weapons and work your way down to open-hand training. The Kali disarms and defenses are very practical and do not require lots of memorization. They feel natural and instinctive (to me).
Along the way, I found the Dog Brothers to have some of the best training for street survival, especially their open hand survival techniques against knives. They work with Frankie McRae, a SF soldier in your neck of the woods. I'm not sure if he could point you in a direction for some solid training or not, but I thought I would mention it. At the very least, check out the Dog Brothers. And I believe TR had some solid advice on the Mike Janich training video, too. That guy is the real deal.
Just my 2 cents from years of having my ass handed to me by guys that were tougher and meaner than I and have BTDT. Luckily, they let me tag along and learn a great deal from them. Good choice on the Enyo, too! My wife loves her Phrike and strongly considered the Enyo. So far, all she's had to cut open are the dozens of care packages I send her
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01-31-2013, 17:57
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Now the real question is....Do I really need to order the knife online and pay shipping, OR can I just drive 30 minutes to Aberdeen and avoid spending excess money?
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