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Old 02-06-2004, 11:27   #16
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Okay, I was thinking along the terms of using the shadow (on the moon itself) to get a general idea of where North is??
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Old 02-06-2004, 12:36   #17
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OK, I couldn't wait. The line between the two tips is the east-west axis, with the first one being west. So your heels should be on the stick side of the axis.

What about at night?
You know I’ve taught this to people without benifit of an education all over the world, and never encountered a dilemma.

The foot placement was an idea I’ve always used because, well, it was foolproof., until now.




AnglesSix,
I’ve found that teaching the watch method problematical at best when teaching foreign nationals and impossible with Attorneys.

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Old 02-06-2004, 13:14   #18
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Damn, did I just ruin the whole thread? Keep going, please. I promise to behave from now on. LOL

How do you do it at night? Or is this my homework assignment?
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Old 02-06-2004, 15:59   #19
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Found this:
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Old 02-06-2004, 16:22   #20
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Watch method:

(1) A watch can be used to determine the approximate true north and true south. In the north temperate zone only, the hour hand is pointed toward the sun. A south line can be found midway between the hour hand and 1200 hours, standard time. If on daylight saving time, the north-south line is found between the hour hand and 1300 hours. If there is any doubt as to which end of the line is north, remember that the sun is in the east before noon and in the west after noon.

(2) The watch may also be used to determine direction in the south temperate zone; however, the method is different. The 1200-hour dial is pointed toward the sun, and halfway between 1200 hours and the hour hand will be a north line. If on daylight saving time, the north line lies midway between the hour hand and 1300 hours (Figure 9-8).
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Old 02-06-2004, 16:24   #21
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Then there is the North Star/Southern Cross, right?
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Team SGT, I understand what you mean about the attorneys........but they are handy to have around!!!

RL: The North Star and the Southern cross at night.......what if it is completely overcast???
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what if it is completely overcast???
You're phucked.

How does one find the north star?
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You're phucked.

How does one find the north star?
You look up in the sky.

It's the last one on the handle of the little dipper. If I recall, it's very bright relative to the others.
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You look up in the sky.

It's the last one on the handle of the little dipper. If I recall, it's very bright relative to the others.
You are a no go at celestial navigation.

You are hereby ordered to turn in your Boy Scout field craft badge immediately.

It is also suggested you contact the Planetary Society for further assistance.

The North Star is actually a very DIM star.

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You are a no go at celestial navigation.

You are hereby ordered to turn in your Boy Scout field craft badge immediately.

It is also suggested you contact the Planetary Society for further assistance.

The North Star is actually a very DIM star.

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LOL

I was not, and am not, a Boy Scout.

I can navigate my car on freeways, find the right airport and make connecting flights. Beyond that, I am SOL.

But I am the acorn that becomes the oak, Team Sergeant. I do enjoy the training. No doubt that I need it.

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It's the last one on the handle of the little dipper.
Where did you find this tibit? Madonna's website?

It's the Big Dipper and that's not where it's located!

Anyone? Where and how do you find the North Star?

{little dipper.....@#$!#$$#%$!#}
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Where did you find this tibit? Madonna's website?

It's the Big Dipper and that's not where it's located!

Anyone? Where and how do you find the North Star?

{little dipper.....@#$!#$$#%$!#}

You take the the two last stars of the Big Dipper, in the ,,cauldron'' side.You continue in the general direction of the Little Dipper.About 4x the distance between the two stars.
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Very good and very close, but if I recall , it's closer to 5x the distance between the stars.

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