How to fix this mess we're now in

[MtnGoat]

Originally Posted by SF18C

For those interested Alexis Tocqueville’s Democracy in America Vol I & II, it is free at Amazon for the Kindle edition.

I am making my kid read it for her English class (we home school, so I get to pick some of the reading assingments), she hate me!!!

I think I'll have mine start too. That just mines I'll have to read them too.

[sinjefe]

The House of Representatives can always exercise their power to draft articles of impeachment like for, say, Benghazi.

[Radar Rider]

Originally Posted by sinjefe

The House of Representatives can always exercise their power to draft articles of impeachment like for, say, Benghazi.

Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi laugh in derision at the very idea. Face it; we're fucked.

[MtnGoat]

Originally Posted by sinjefe

The House of Representatives can always exercise their power to draft articles of impeachment like for, say, Benghazi.

With today's day and time, a Sitting President will never be Impeached. As long as he is a Dem. MSM will back the DNC and what it wants in THEIR IO campaine. Sad, but I fell a true fact.

[SF18C]

Originally Posted by Radar Rider

Texas is a state with no state taxes. Can it absorb the refugees from the Blue states?

I like San Antonio.

I would see many Texans happy to stop paying federal income tax and give it to the state of Texas…I believe Texas is still a Federal Tax payer and not a beneficiary of the Federal tax system.

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/02...federal-taxes/

As for keeping people out of Texas, well we aren’t doing too good keeping out the Mexicans, not sure we will be able to do much better with the Okies!!

[bubba]

Ultimately I see a "blood-less" revolution of sorts. The scenario unfolds in my mind something along the lines of the "massively red states" in the south gets together threatens to leverage their control over economic sectors in their territory (such as petrol refining and control of the Mississippi Diver delta). This would enable them to "force" the feds to concede to their demands of returning to a Constitutional Republic. I am not as well read as I should be about the ending of the articles of confederation and the beginning of our current constitution, but if memory serves, the original purpose of the gathering was supposed to modify the current form of government but ultimately ended with them kicking the entire government to the curb and installing what we have today (well, what we are supposed to have today). A couple of hard lessons will need to be re-enforced through some pain in the "blood-less" portion of the revolution.............. Pain is the ultimate teaching tool.............. and the best way to develop character (in my opinion).........

[MtnGoat]

I fear much of the damage has been done and was done many years ago. It didn't start with this current Administration too. The whole abortion "thing" and Roe v Wade Law will stay in place. Like someone posted, once these policies are in place they will be, difficult, or impossible to reverse them. Not that any party will be able to in the first place.

Ok lets have a State change it's laws. We have States passing their own laws that the Federal Goverment states are federal crimes pushiment under federal laws. But yet we have at least 15 to 20 states that have legalized "medical" Marijuana. Why, the main reason is for state income revenue. If I remember right three this election. Hell more than half of the states typically don't have some form of ID for the user.

I feel that if a Republican gets back in the seat of the POTUS or controls both House and Senate or best all Three. Which will be hard with the way the school and MSM and MTv are "teaching" "our" kids (American's Kids). Funny thing I have never really pushed my kids towards one of the parties, but my Daughter in a future Republican. At 11 years old she watched the first debate. Republicans better pass that for all federal elections a person MUST show a form of State issued ID to vote. This way people have THE TIME to get THEIR ID so they can vote. Unlike the Dems and MSM say it is to hard for poor people to get them. I could have had my Brother-n-Law vote for me while I was here in Afghanistan in NC. I think and feel this need to be changed. How about making a law that for a person to get the EBT cards they need to show proof, a ID, to obatin them. Wait, do they need that now?? Oh wait, that's but states agian.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by Radar Rider

Texas is a state with no state taxes.

Really? How about property taxes? My sister's house in Texas had 1/4 the value of our house in CA and they paid 3 times as much property tax. They have no state income tax.

Pat

[Radar Rider]

I do my taxes in early February every year. The numbers stagger me, but I just want to knock it out and pay my "fair share."

I'm out of share.

[Radar Rider]

Originally Posted by PSM

Really? How about property taxes? My sister's house in Texas had 1/4 the value of our house in CA and they paid 3 times as much property tax. They have no state income tax.

Pat

That's my bad. I have a sister in Texas, too.

[MtnGoat]

Originally Posted by PSM

Really? How about property taxes? My sister's house in Texas had 1/4 the value of our house in CA and they paid 3 times as much property tax. They have no state income tax.

Pat

I have to ask my mother what her's is.

[PSM]

Originally Posted by MtnGoat

I have to ask my mother what her's is.

Remember, though, we had Prop. 13 which froze our taxes at the purchase price in 1985.

Pat

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Storm

Once the office of the POTUS was an ideal, greater than the man who inherited the office. Once self-reliance, and sacrifice meant something. Once hard work, wealth and success were considered a barometer of achievement. Once being an American meant keeping your own identity, but also assimilating into the idea of the "American Dream," adding your own gifts into the mix along the way. As Reaper's quote noted, once these people held the majority, and held the other side in check.

Exactly when did this interval occur in American history? (And where?)

Originally Posted by Storm

Over 93% and 71% respectively(last time I saw the numbers) of two minority ethnic groups voted one way. Can somebody please tell me the last time 93% of people could agree on anything substantial? Yet the MSM would have us believe that vote count has nothing to do with skin color, or policy, [the president] was just the best man for the job. Then we have certain Republicans and pundits going with "we have to do more to improve our Latino vote." They seem to be fundamentally misreading the issue, much the way we are misreading the intentions of Islamic jihad.

How much research on national elections have you done? Have you, for example, looked at presidential election results for 1900 in which 98.67% of voters agreed that they did not want a socialist or a populist to be POTUS? Or have you looked at the percentage of America voters who rejected the central tenets of the Free Soil Party and the Liberty Party in the late Antebellum period? (Or was that different because it was in the past and history only counts when you think it should? In which case, how about the overwhelming rejection of the Green and Libertarian parties going back to 1988?)

Additional questions to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying. Is your issue that groups of Americans demonstrate political discipline at the polls or simply the fact that they happen to vote in ways which you disapprove? (That is, if blacks voted for GOP candidates like they once did, would you be bitching?)

And are you comparing Latinos to Jihadists?

Originally Posted by Storm

That being said, those who are hard working, are going to continue to be. We will not give up on these ideals we hold so dear. We must, somehow, change the attitudes of our youth of all colors and creeds, teach them personal responsibility, and character. Hard work and success must be good things, goals to strive for. Then, and only then, will we have the possibility of digging ourselves out of this mess, cold hard reality must overtake perception.

Is it your position that because certain minority groups have the nerve to vote in ways you disapprove that they're not hard working, that they don't have "character," that they don't believe in personal responsibility but they do believe in Santa Claus?

[sinjefe]

Originally Posted by Radar Rider

Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi laugh in derision at the very idea. Face it; we're fucked.

Harry Reid only has something to say about the trial, not the impeachment. All the SotH needs is a majority to draft articles of impeachment. Nancy Pelosi wouldn't have anything to say about it.

[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by bubba

Ultimately I see a "blood-less" revolution of sorts. The scenario unfolds in my mind something along the lines of the "massively red states" in the south gets together threatens to leverage their control over economic sectors in their territory (such as petrol refining and control of the Mississippi Diver delta). This would enable them to "force" the feds to concede to their demands of returning to a Constitutional Republic. I am not as well read as I should be about the ending of the articles of confederation and the beginning of our current constitution, but if memory serves, the original purpose of the gathering was supposed to modify the current form of government but ultimately ended with them kicking the entire government to the curb and installing what we have today (well, what we are supposed to have today). A couple of hard lessons will need to be re-enforced through some pain in the "blood-less" portion of the revolution.............. Pain is the ultimate teaching tool.............. and the best way to develop character (in my opinion).........

The federal government is not the nation, nor is its authority absolute.
We have state governments, local governments, and the people.

The states gave the feds the finger on the Real ID act.
The feds yielded.

Some of us still live in Free America.
Arizona is ahead of the game.

Article 27, section 2 of the Arizona Constitution:

Health Insurance Freedom

A. To preserve the freedom of Arizonans to provide for their health care:

1. A law or rule shall not compel, directly or indirectly, any person, employer or health care provider to participate in any health care system. 2. A person or employer may pay directly for lawful health care services and shall not be required to pay penalties or fines for paying directly for lawful health care services. A health care provider may accept direct payment for lawful health care services and shall not be required to pay penalties or fines for accepting direct payment from a person or employer for lawful health care services.

B. Subject to reasonable and necessary rules that do not substantially limit a person’s options, the purchas or sale of health insurance in private health care systems shall not be prohibited by law or rule.

C. This section does not:

1. Affect which health care services a health care provider or hospital is required to perform or provide. 2. Affect which health care services are permitted by law. 3. Prohibit care provided pursuant to Article XVII, Section 8 of this constitution or any statutes enacted by the legislature relating to worker’s compensation. 4. Affect laws or rules in effect as of January 1, 2009. 5. Affect the terms or conditions of any health care system to the extent that those terms and conditions do not have the effect of punishing a person or employer for paying directly for lawful health care services or a health care provider or hospital for accepting direct payment from a person or employer for lawful health care services.

D. For the purposes of this section:

1. “Compel” includes penalties or fines. 2. “Direct payment or pay directly” means payment for lawful health care services without a public or private third party, not including an employer, paying for any portion of the service. 3. “Health care system” means any public or private entity whose function or purpose is the management of, processing of, enrollment of individuals for or payment for, in full or in part, health care services or health care data or health care information for its participants. 4. “Lawful health care services” means any health-related service or treatment to the extent that the service or treatment is permitted or not prohibited by law or regulation that may be provided by persons or business otherwise permitted to offer such services. 5. “Penalties or fines” means any civil or criminal penalty or fine, tax, salary or wage withholding or surcharge or any named fee with a similar effect established by law or rule by a government established, created or controlled agency that is used to punish or discourage the exercise of rights protected under this section.