10-27-2012, 12:01
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Now who did the administration save? I know, without a doubt.
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Sounds like the same person supposedly advised by Valerie Jarrett not to take the political risk the first 3 times UBL was in position corpse-candidate. Anecdotal recall only.
Frack.
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10-27-2012, 12:41
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The lies coming from the current administration are not going to be tolerated any longer. This is why some of the Special Operations personnel are making statements as to the lies and deceit emanating from the White House .
This sacrifice of an American Ambassador sends a clear message to all islamic countries, (currently) the United States will not kill muslims to save American diplomats. All diplomats currently residing in islamic countries your lives are not only at risk but the US Armed Forces will not be allowed to rescue you at the risk of killing/offending muslims.
Obama learned a lot from jimmy carter on the handling of a diplomatic crisis occurring in an islamic country, the “Do Nothing” strategy.
Again, the world-wide CINC In-Extremis Forces stand by 24/7- 365 days a year and conduct training year round for this very situation. I’ve no doubt they were stood up for this situation only to be stood down.
And from what I’m reading the last few months on the internet some of the Special Operations Forces personnel would like the American people to know, they are out there, ready, trained and prepared to handle this sort of situation at a moment’s notice, and prepared to die if necessary to save American lives. Anywhere, anytime anyplace.
You tell me who stood down the dogs of war?
And why?
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10-27-2012, 13:31
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You tell me who stood down the dogs of war?
And why?
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This is the question I want to know.
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10-27-2012, 13:51
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The lies coming from the current administration are not going to be tolerated any longer.
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BTW, (no news to QPs) the comms portion Rush's LTC speaks of, in terms of timeliness, has been around for a long time. The procedures themselves are not that new. While damning, the UNCLAS email traffic (that would've been a fax back in the day), pales in comparison to what happens when FLASH traffic with the appropriate codeword(s) hits the Pentagon and a whole shitload of point-to-point destinations simultaneously. The hardware has changed since 77-80 when I worked that, but the system is THERE. The rest is just clutter, helmet-fire as it were.
Figured it was when, not if, that someone would point this out. It's as if the administration is trying to sort out a request for more MREs when someone has already shouted Prairie Fire over the net.
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10-27-2012, 15:29
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I already voted. Even if I keel over right now, my vote will count. I am hoping for a history-making azzwhipping. Lord hear our prayer.
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10-27-2012, 15:32
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RR you have any PM's you haven't responded to?
A few weeks back some folks had some questions for you.
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10-27-2012, 16:02
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10-27-2012, 16:20
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There are multiple blogs discussing rumors of this. I also came across this change that some suggest others were in line with Gen. Ham.
http://www.stripes.com/news/navy/nav...group-1.194780
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10-27-2012, 16:39
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Saturday Night Massacre?
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10-27-2012, 17:08
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How could anyone follow this thread and not be sick to their stomach. This is beyond outrageous. How do Obama and his cronies sleep at night. Party affiliation be damned we all need to be concerned about this. I wish we had an ambassador who serves in one of these muslim countries with the nerve to pull himself and his entire staff out, none of these people are safe. God help us.
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10-27-2012, 17:44
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Someone had to give the order to stand down...... I'd sure like to know who it was myself.
Then again the US military are supposed to follow the orders of its "civilian" leadership.
Had the CINC In-Extremis Forces arrived on site there would have been hundreds of armed & very dead muslim nationals on the tv for all to view.
I've got a very good idea of who told them to stand down, and I'm pretty certain on the why.
No muslims were murdered that day, just good Americans. No justice will be had either. A classic jummy carter move.
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10-27-2012, 18:09
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I truly appreciate the dialogue as I am trying to sort through all the information. It is important to me.
None of this will bring back those brave Americans who lost their lives that day. Nothing will ease the great loss from their friends and loved ones. But they deserve the truth of that day to be known and told. We all owe them that. I hope those individuals who know continue to push forth the truth. In my humble view, there is no greater tribute to those who fell that day.
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10-27-2012, 18:15
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I don't think the Admiral had anything to do with Libya
Re: The Admiral supposedly being made the scape goat.
Edit: I guess I should add that my thoughts are worthless. But if the information in the link above is true it seems unlikely that the Admiral had anything to do with Libya.
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10-27-2012, 19:57
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Because of the info being disseminated on this thread I just swallowed back a mouthful of bile. What a majestic goatfuck on the higher-ups.
And I though we in Italy were really screwed when it comes down to politicians and decision making. I'm terribly sorry for the losses and incredibly disgusted for the rest.
RIP to those who were killed. I'll refrain myself from spilling what's in my mind concerning the rest just for the sake of common decency.
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10-28-2012, 02:23
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Edit - Ape Man answered my questions.
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Last edited by BrokenSwitch; 10-28-2012 at 04:11.
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