Black militia group wants to arrest Trayvon Martin shooter

[BOfH]

Originally Posted by Paslode

No need for a court system...

Ah yes, the MSM version of "shoot first, ask questions later", of course when they do it, it's all good

Originally Posted by Paslode

And of course this happened because of lax gun laws.......at least according to Bloomberg

MSM whoring for Bloomberg's MAIG, what a surprise.

[kgoerz]

Stand your ground law or not. Your life needs to be threatened in order to use deadly force. The Kid had a Soda Pop bottle, the other guy had a Gun.
It might answer a lot of questions knowing if it was a contact shot or not. Unless they were fighting for the gun. I can't see this as a good shoot.
Imagine if that were your kid that was shot by some over zealous neighborhood watch guy. He didn't stand his ground. He followed the kid after being told not to by the 911 dispatch.

[PedOncoDoc]

Originally Posted by kgoerz

Stand your ground law or not. Your life needs to be threatened in order to use deadly force. The Kid had a Soda Pop bottle, the other guy had a Gun.
It might answer a lot of questions knowing if it was a contact shot or not. Unless they were fighting for the gun. I can't see this as a good shoot.
Imagine if that were your kid that was shot by some over zealous neighborhood watch guy. He didn't stand his ground. He followed the kid after being told not to by the 911 dispatch.

Chasing down the kid after being told to not pursue is the key here, IMHO. He was not in danger, he chose to hunt the kid down and escalate the situation. This is a tragic killing and the media is taking a sad situation and making it worse. The shooter does need to be arrested and given due process, but I don't see how he can be found innocent given the fact that he chased down a kid who was actively trying to avoid him.

[Pete]

There appear to be conflicting news accounts floating around out there.

The stated timeline - Z's story - appears to be along the lines of Z was following the "kid" - 6'3" football player - while he talked with 911. He was told to break it off and return to his car, which he did. The "kid" followed him back to his car where the contact occured. One witness states Z was on his back and being pummeled by the victim. Z had grass stains on his back and bruising to his face.

Did both have the right to be walking around the neighborhood? Yes. Does one person have the right to be walking in the same direction as another while talking on a cell phone? Yes.

Also there is a story reporting the "kid" was serving a 5 day suspension from school. Wonder what that was for? Just wondering because Z appears to have had a run in with the law way back in his past.

"........but I don't see how he can be found innocent given the fact that he chased down a kid who was actively trying to avoid him..........."

Doc where did you get "chased down"? Some other sites are claiming Z was stalking the kid. Both had just as much right to be walking down the street as the other. If you're walking down a residential street what do you think if you turn around and see somebody walking the same way while talking on a cell phone? Do you start running, dodging or just keep walking?

And by the way, people in my neighborhood have tried to chase down the little punks who were sneaking around stealing from cars and garages in our neighborhood - they were just too fast.
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[PedOncoDoc]

Originally Posted by Pete

Doc where did you get "chased down"? Some other sites are claiming Z was stalking the kid. Both had just as much right to be walking down the street as the other. If you're walking down a residential street what do you think if you turn around and see somebody walking the same way while talking on a cell phone? Do you start running, dodging or just keep walking?

Pete - I was not aware of the report that Martin was pummelling Z. My statement was with regards to the report that Z called 911 and was told to break off pursuit and later confronted the kid. If the kid did in fact tell his girlfriend on the phone he was trying to lose Z (as was stated in the original reports), I had assumed (I acknowledge this is a flaw with my argument) that Martin would take a route that made a second chance meeting with Z highly unlikely. Since a second meeting did occur despite Martin's attempt to evade Z per the reports I had read, I concluded that Z must have been stalking/pursuing Martin.

Hopefully the facts will come into the open to give a clearer picture of what actually happened.

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Pete

There appear to be conflicting news accounts floating around out there.

The stated timeline - Z's story - appears to be along the lines of Z was following the "kid" - 6'3" football player - while he talked with 911. He was told to break it off and return to his car, which he did. The "kid" followed him back to his car where the contact occured. One witness states Z was on his back and being pummeled by the victim. Z had grass stains on his back and bruising to his face.

Did both have the right to be walking around the neighborhood? Yes. Does one person have the right to be walking in the same direction as another while talking on a cell phone? Yes.

Also there is a story reporting the "kid" was serving a 5 day suspension from school. Wonder what that was for? Just wondering because Z appears to have had a run in with the law way back in his past.

"........but I don't see how he can be found innocent given the fact that he chased down a kid who was actively trying to avoid him..........."

Doc where did you get "chased down"? Some other sites are claiming Z was stalking the kid. Both had just as much right to be walking down the street as the other. If you're walking down a residential street what do you think if you turn around and see somebody walking the same way while talking on a cell phone? Do you start running, dodging or just keep walking?

And by the way, people in my neighborhood have tried to chase down the little punks who were sneaking around stealing from cars and garages in our neighborhood - they were just too fast.
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Other than there was a confrontation, someone was shot and killed.....there are too many If's, Ands & Buts for anyone speculate or judge who was in the wrong.

Forensics should tell a good portion of the story of what the shooter did.

I am hoping the shooter followed proper CCH ROE so Sharpton and the Liberal media can eat crow once again.

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[Pete]

Originally Posted by PedOncoDoc

...... If the kid did in fact tell his girlfriend on the phone he was trying to lose Z (as was stated in the original reports),........

Why would an innocent person walking down a street turn, see someone walking behind them talking on the phone need to lose them? This is not a walking while black situation - the neighborhood was only 49% white and Z was Hispanic.

Would not a person on neighborhood watch see somebody walking through their neighborhood start ducking & weaving think something suspicious was going on? Z did talk with 911 and was told to break off which he said he did.

The reports state the "Kid" was 6'2" or 6'3" depending on source and a football player. Z is reported to be 5'2". Hmmmmmm.

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by Pete

Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin

Continue reading on Examiner.com Zimmerman was on the ground being punched when he shot Trayvon Martin - Charleston Charleston Conservative | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/charleston-c...#ixzz1pqYqloFm

"..............Literally thousands of articles contain at least one false statement in the first couple of lines. They usually read "George ZImmerman, a white man," or "shoot by a white man." Zimmerman is described by family as a multiracial Hispanic. His appearance is clearly that of a Latino/Mestizo individual. However, the media wants him to be white because that better fits the political narrative they are trying to artificially create. Many news articles have also claimed the neighborhood is "mostly white." This is also a lie. The neighborhood is only 49% white. It is over half non-white.................."

No lie.

I thought Shephard Smith was trying to re-ignite the Rodney King riots in Orlando today.

All the time, I was wondering if I had slept through the trial somehow.

Way too much agitation and speculation here, setting the scene for post-trial violence if Zimmerman is tried and acquitted.

Plenty of time for punishment after the facts have been gathered. I recommend stopping with the assumptions and gathering facts from the media.

TR

[kgoerz]

On another note. Even if this guy did everything right in shooting the kid. He is so Fu#%cked

[Dusty]

Another lib double standard. That's like two in ten days that have been blown all out of proportion, right?

[fng13]

Originally Posted by kgoerz

On another note. Even if this guy did everything right in shooting the kid. He is so Fu#%cked

Nailed it.

Even the conservative media has been blasting this guy all week. Daytime talk radio, nightly news, opinion shows etc.

Even if this turns out to be justifiable shoot, this guys days are numbered. The public has predominately already made up their minds so if police declare it a good shoot it will just be racism and cover ups.


I bet now he realizes that if you go around looking for trouble eventually you will find it.

[plato]

Originally Posted by kgoerz

On another note. Even if this guy did everything right in shooting the kid. He is so Fu#%cked

No cheering section like the OJ acquittal?

[The Reaper]

Originally Posted by plato

No cheering section like the OJ acquittal?

That was DIFFERENT!

TR

[kgoerz]

Originally Posted by Pete

Why would an innocent person walking down a street turn, see someone walking behind them talking on the phone need to lose them? This is not a walking while black situation - the neighborhood was only 49% white and Z was Hispanic.

Would not a person on neighborhood watch see somebody walking through their neighborhood start ducking & weaving think something suspicious was going on? Z did talk with 911 and was told to break off which he said he did.

The reports state the "Kid" was 6'2" or 6'3" depending on source and a football player. Z is reported to be 5'2". Hmmmmmm.

I know exactly what you mean. But a private Citizen can not detain another private Citizen for doing any of this. Sounds like he tried to do a Terry Stop. The guy who authored the Stand your Ground Law was talking last night. He said it clearly states "you can not approach someone, challenge someone creating a situation, then use the Stand Your Ground Law as a defense. He said the stand your ground law do's not even apply here.

[Destrier]

If he broke off and returned to his vehicle like he stated, and the kid then followed and assaulted him. Then the stand your ground law would then apply wouldn't it? Since the kid would then be the aggressor.