02-20-2012, 17:01
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We just happen to have the most anti-Israel president since its creation, right when they would need us the most.
If Iran retaliates against the U.S. over Israel, aren't they asking for the U.S. to retaliate back?
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Yes, and that might be part of the Israeli strategic calculus to compensate for a lack of military capability. The Israelis essentially have the ability to launch US forces against Iran, abliet at a great cost to US/Israel relations.
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02-20-2012, 17:14
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Someone want to tell me what the objective of a strike would be?
Give me a mission statement.
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02-20-2012, 17:16
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US or Israeli?
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02-20-2012, 17:24
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US or Israeli?
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What would the objectives of a military strike on Iran be?
Let's start with the strategic objectives for whoever is likely to participate in this party.
Diplomatic?
Informational?
Military?
Economic?
Then provide the purpose, mission, end state, and risk.
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02-20-2012, 17:37
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scooter:
What would the objectives of a military strike on Iran be?
Let's start with the strategic objectives for whoever is likely to participate in this party.
Diplomatic?
Informational?
Military?
Economic?
Then provide the purpose, mission, end state, and risk.
TR
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Those are the key questions before planning any party and until they are laid out everything else is fantasy and speculation.
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02-20-2012, 18:38
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Objective- Military
Purpose- eliminate Iran's current or future ability posses and use nuclear weapons.
Mission- Destroy nuclear production and current nuclear stockpiles if any
End State- Iran has no more nuclear material or the ability to produce nuclear material capable of producing nuclear weapons.
Risk- Very high could start WW-III and trigger a nuclear exchange between major world powers.
I nor do a majority of the people on the board have enough intel on where how etc Iran is producing and where it is being done at IMHO. The question is does the US and or Israeli have enough knowledge to get it all? Lets face it there are no good choices on this problem just bad and worse.
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Have we exhausted our Diplomatic, Informational, and Economic options already?
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02-20-2012, 19:21
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There are still some economic tools.
Step 1: Through some money printing and supply restriction (need some cooperation from the Saudis), run up the price of oil for a few months.
Step 2: Wait for Iran to start contracting in currencies other than the dollar (they start doing that on March 20).
Step 3: Once the contracting starts, tighten up the money supply and open the supply spigots (need some cooperation for the Saudis, again) which drives down dollar-denominated oil and undercuts their sales.
Bit of a convoluted way to punch them in the wallet, but it might work.
Bad economy and a young population makes ripe ground for starting revolutions.
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02-20-2012, 20:08
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Would decapitation of the current and second-string regime leadership be an effective option as opposed to going after the nuclear targets?
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02-20-2012, 20:17
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The last thing Obama and the Dems want is $6-$8 a gallon gas. They will do everything they can to avoid a military confrontation, at least until after November 2012....
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02-20-2012, 20:18
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Do you think that eliminating the US President and all principle cabinet members would lead to the total collapse of the US Government along with all of its policies and strategic goals?
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02-20-2012, 20:43
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Do you think that eliminating the US President and all principle cabinet members would lead to the total collapse of the US Government along with all of its policies and strategic goals?
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I'm willing to give it a try with regards to our current set of clowns.
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02-20-2012, 20:53
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I'm willing to give it a try with regards to our current set of clowns.
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That was a rhetorical question designed to provoke thought on the idea of decapitation as it pertains to the Iranian question.
If you want to advocate the murder of the President and the heads of the Executive Branch you can go elsewhere, there is no place here for that here. There are many people both in and out of uniform that disagree with the policies of the current administration. If you don't like them, vote.
Go somewhere else and babble about killing the President, and have fun at your Secret Service Interview.
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02-20-2012, 21:04
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That was a rhetorical question designed to provoke thought on the idea of decapitation as it pertains to the Iranian question.
If you want to advocate the murder of the President and the heads of the Executive Branch you can go elsewhere, there is no place here for that here. There are many people both in and out of uniform that disagree with the policies of the current administration. If you don't like them, vote.
Go somewhere else and babble about killing the President, and have fun at your Secret Service Interview.
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Yours was a good rhetorical question. And your response to my "babble" was also babble. Unless you seriously think that what I said constitutes advocacy of murder, then you should consider misconstruing your "rhetorical" question.
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02-20-2012, 21:09
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I may have misread or misunderstood your comment and responded harshly. If thats the case....sorry.
I would just caution against any statements (joking or not) that can further feed into the narrative of the right wing military verteran whack job out to perpetuate violence against the government. If I over-reacted, my bad.
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02-20-2012, 21:30
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Would decapitation of the current and second-string regime leadership be an effective option as opposed to going after the nuclear targets?
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That one's always a proverbial crap shoot - and especially in that part of the world - although the 1:6 odds with craps are far better than what you're proposing. Think about it...seriously.
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