12-21-2011, 13:52
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What a bunch of idiots, time to tighten up the enlistment standards.
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12-22-2011, 06:48
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Agree
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I completely concur......... 
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This is past stupid.
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12-22-2011, 07:58
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Originally Posted by Ret10Echo
Lack of familiarity. We have bred a generation of soldiers that do not carry rounds routinely (let alone loaded weapons) and therfore do not have the awareness necessary to operate in such an environment. Not an excuse for stupid...just an observation.
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Agreed. The Army only lets these guys load and chamber when leaving the wire, but are required to carry their weapons at all times. This leads to joe and jane not respecting their weapon and treating it as an inconvinience.
How many guys AD outside the wire? Few if any.
If the Army went the other route and had everyone carry hot at all times, with one test fire a day, I bet you'd a total elimination of this kind of jackassery.
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12-22-2011, 15:36
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I disagree.
We have more soldiers now who have carried loaded weapons in and out of combat than ever before.
Maybe they are getting a little too complacent about it, but ultimately, you just can't fix stupid.
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12-22-2011, 19:57
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Concur.
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Originally Posted by The Reaper
I disagree.
We have more soldiers now who have carried loaded weapons in and out of combat than ever before.
Maybe they are getting a little too complacent about it, but ultimately, you just can't fix stupid.
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I would think on a total force concept of Active, Reserves and Guard, more men and women from all components have served in a combat zone then at any time in our nation's history as a percentage based on the size of the total force.
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12-22-2011, 22:37
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Quote:
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I would think on a total force concept of Active, Reserves and Guard, more men and women from all components have served in a combat zone then at any time in our nation's history as a percentage based on the size of the total force.
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Read today there have been more then 487,000 National Guard deploments since 9-11
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12-23-2011, 13:05
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Wow, I must really be old... I still believe you never point any firearm at anything unless you intend to destroy/kill it... and you don't pull the trigger unless you are absolutely sure that you intend to kill it.
These idiots deserved the "cleanup on aisle 7"... 
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12-23-2011, 14:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Reaper
I disagree.
We have more soldiers now who have carried loaded weapons in and out of combat than ever before.
Maybe they are getting a little too complacent about it, but ultimately, you just can't fix stupid.
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I agree with this, the guys are carrieing all the time and become complacent. They no longer have the respect for the weapon as they have become familliar with them.
Now add young stupid decision making processes and you get this type of horse play.
Reminds me of an El Sal incident where an El Sal NCO told his young private that if he could load his weapon faster than the recruit he would shoot the recruit. You can guess how this went when the recruit loaded first. 
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12-23-2011, 17:59
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Are you sure this is complacentcy?
They knew EXACTLY what they were doing. They thought about the "game" before they chose to play it. They pointed the weapons and thought about it before they pulled the triggers. This is not a negligent discharge (which is a lot more like an accident then THIS is).
This is manslaughter, and neglignt leadership and a crappy command climate all the way to at least the Bn level.
Line em up and mow some careers. "You are responsible for everything that happens or fails to happen in your command (especially if it happened before).
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