Cornel West: Ultimate Fight for Entitlements Will be in the Streets

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Dusty

That's just not true, anymore.

You can own an XBox now, and still be classified as "poor".

Damn! So what it comes down to is that if you have something I don't....say Playstation 3, a Car not up on blocks, tender back straps or even that green beanie with the flash..... someone like West could start whispering in my ear 'He has it and so should you', 'It is not fair for him to have it and not you'.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Paslode

Damn! So what it comes down to is that if you have something I don't....say Playstation 3, a Car not up on blocks, tender back straps or even that green beanie with the flash..... someone like West could start whispering in my ear 'He has it and so should you', 'It is not fair for him to have it and not you'.

...especially the straps.

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by NORMAL550GIRL

This kind of crap really burns me up.

Gosh, there are poor people? There are hungry children? Gee, Cornell West, thank God you've come! I do so love it when people spout off rhetoric with no actual solutions or ideas. Helps us all so much!

You want a war against poverty? Ok, here you go: every girl, upon the age of menstruation, begins getting government mandated birth-control shots. They only end when she and her husband can prove that they have the financial wherewithal to actually support kids.

I also like the idea of everyone has to have at least a high school diploma, no dropping out and none of this GED crap.

Everytime you want to have another kid, you have to show up with all your financials and a letter from your employer that re-certifies your ability to support yet another child.

Then we can start some program that forces employers to hire you.

How 'bout that West? I can solve a whoooole lotta poverty issues ---all you have to do is sacrifice a few measly individual "rights."

NG for POTUS..........

Big Teddy

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by greenberetTFS

NG for POTUS..........

Big Teddy

Oh, no. Don't tell me that Cantonese guy's running for President again this year.

[GratefulCitizen]

Originally Posted by NORMAL550GIRL

You want a war against poverty? Ok, here you go: every girl, upon the age of menstruation, begins getting government mandated birth-control shots. They only end when she and her husband can prove that they have the financial wherewithal to actually support kids.

I also like the idea of everyone has to have at least a high school diploma, no dropping out and none of this GED crap.

Everytime you want to have another kid, you have to show up with all your financials and a letter from your employer that re-certifies your ability to support yet another child.

Not a new line of thinking.
Earlier iterations had some prominent supporters.

To quote Michael Crichton:

Its supporters included Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, and Winston Churchill. It was approved by Supreme Court justices Oliver Wendell Holmes and Louis Brandeis, who ruled in its favor. The famous names who supported it included Alexander Graham Bell, inventor of the telephone; activist Margaret Sanger; botanist Luther Burbank; Leland Stanford, founder of Stanford University; the novelist H. G. Wells; the playwright George Bernard Shaw; and hundreds of others. Nobel Prize winners gave support. Research was backed by the Carnegie and Rockefeller Foundations. The Cold Springs Harbor Institute was built to carry out this research, but important work was also done at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and Johns Hopkins. Legislation to address the crisis was passed in states from New York to California.

Eugenics.
Planned parenthood is the current iteration.

Obviously, I disagree.

The solution is for the federal government to stop "assisting" individuals, state and local governments, and charities.
Let them stand or fall on their own.

When the federal government can print its own money, there's no limit to the amount of goods and services it can redistribute.
Constrict the spending.

[Sigaba]

Not to help the poor is to abandon them and demean our society; but to help the poor without offering them a chance to escape poverty is ultimately to degrade us all.

The great tasks of compassion must be accomplished both by people who care and by policies which foster economic growth to enhance all human development.

Source is here.

[Dozer523]

Originally Posted by BOfH

In my circles we have a very effective form of birth control, its called tuition.

Is it retro-active? Out of State Tuition is killing me. BCMU, I love you little girl but you picked MIZZOU

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Sigaba

Source is here.

Nobody who gets everything they need in life handed to them on a silver platter should snivel.

[Sten]

Efficiency and progress is ours once more
Now that we have the Neutron bomb
It's nice and quick and clean and gets things done
Away with excess enemy
But no less value to property
No sense in war but perfect sense at home:

The sun beams down on a brand new day
No more welfare tax to pay
Unsightly slums gone up in flashing light
Jobless millions whisked away
At last we have more room to play
All systems go to kill the poor tonight

-Jello Biafra

[Stingray]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

Is it retro-active? Out of State Tuition is killing me. BCMU, I love you little girl but you picked MIZZOU

Ewwww, Mizzou?
Soon to be the punchin bag of the SEC.

[JimP]

Some of ya'll may not be as long in the tooth or as attuned the the denizens in the legal community as I've been for a bunch of years. Cornell West was preaching this crap years ago when he was a professor at Harvard. In fact - he had a LOT to do with a doctrinairre approach to law that was termed Critical Legal Studies (CLS). Harvard was the vanguard for this - ultimately not very successful - theory. The theme was akin to what the poverty-pimps (Jesse and Fat-Albert) have been doing for years: that if you are black/underprivilieged (so long as you were black); or economically depressed (so long as you were black - white crackers from Appalachia need not apply), you are OWED a successful and prosperous life from "the Man".

Similar to the "social justice" crowd. When you hear "social justice", run. It is a thinly veiled synonym for redistributionist economic policies. CLS never really caught on but had quite an impact within the upper-tier law schools and many of the future leaders of the country and industry. Guess what high-profile black man graduated Harvard Law and is imposing similar views on America.....??? That's right: Obama. Kind of all fits in doesn't it...??

[PedOncoDoc]

Originally Posted by NORMAL550GIRL

Which sounds good, in theory, and is certainly a popular idea.

IMO, there is always going to be a segment of the population that, for whatever reason, are incapable of taking care of themselves. Because we have constitutional rights, these people also have the ability to have as many children as they want to, therefore bringing complete innocents into abject poverty.

Are you really prepared to take away all public assistance, and watch these children starve? Go without medical care and clothing, proper shelter?

I'm not, and that's the point of view on which I was posting earlier. Unless you strip people of their individual right to create children they can't properly take care of, we will have poverty, and unless you're prepared to stand by and let these innocent children suffer, there will be welfare.

We strip unfit parents from the right to house and raise their children. No finanical support leads to starving children which, to my understanding, is neglect and sufficient for removal of the children from the home.

No financial incentive to have more children may lead to fewer children born into poverty. Of course, it's not going to stop people from having sex, but it might encourage more people to use affordable birth control measures. We can't stop people from having kids, but we can stop rewarding them for irresponsibly doing so.

The problem is, where do you put all of those kids? Orphanages may need to make a comeback.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by JimP

. Cornell West was preaching this crap years ago when he was a professor at Harvard. In fact - he had a LOT to do with a doctrinairre approach to law that was termed Critical Legal Studies (CLS). Harvard was the vanguard for this - ultimately not very successful - theory. The theme was akin to what the poverty-pimps (Jesse and Fat-Albert) have been doing for years: that if you are black/underprivilieged (so long as you were black); or economically depressed (so long as you were black - white crackers from Appalachia need not apply), you are OWED a successful and prosperous life from "the Man".

Black...and not Conservative.

[BOfH]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

Is it retro-active? Out of State Tuition is killing me. BCMU, I love you little girl but you picked MIZZOU

Unfortunately not, and...they developed this antidote called scholarships and financial aid. Guess who gets hit up to support that

[Paslode]

Originally Posted by Sten

-Jello Biafra

A twisted individual.