9/11 Remembered, "Falling Man"

[Utah Bob]

And this pic is relevant how?

[greenberetTFS]

Originally Posted by Utah Bob

And this pic is relevant how?

UB,Excellent point!...

Big Teddy

[echoes]

Originally Posted by Utah Bob

And this pic is relevant how?

Sirrs,

Am in complete agreement of your expressed sentiment. It is one picture of the series. I do not know the photograpgher personally, so I cannot answer for the reason he snapped that photo OR the reason the news agency responsible for this story chose to include it.

My thoughts are that the current CIC has zero, none, nil, interest other than a photo op, because he definately cares nothing about Our Military, or calling Terrorists what they are, Terrorists.

Though I could articulate it better, am honestly curious why you and GBTFS, and Dozer seem angry at my postings?

Was this wrong of me to start this thread? The anniversery is comming up, and I just thought it relevent. Am sorry if I offended you guys.

Holly

[echoes]

A more complete collection of 9-11 photos that I have found is here:

http://nymag.com/news/articles/wtc/gallery/2.htm

For me, remembering is important, and these images tell the story.

Holly

[ddoering]

Originally Posted by Utah Bob

And this pic is relevant how?

It puts a human face on a incident that affected a couple of buildings in NYC.

[Utah Bob]

Originally Posted by ddoering

It puts a human face on a incident that affected a couple of buildings in NYC.

The other pics in the article are from 9/11 or very soon after. The one with Obama is from May 2011. I fail to see the relevance.

[Utah Bob]

Originally Posted by echoes

Sirrs,

Am in complete agreement of your expressed sentiment. It is one picture of the series. I do not know the photograpgher personally, so I cannot answer for the reason he snapped that photo OR the reason the news agency responsible for this story chose to include it.

My thoughts are that the current CIC has zero, none, nil, interest other than a photo op, because he definately cares nothing about Our Military, or calling Terrorists what they are, Terrorists.

Though I could articulate it better, am honestly curious why you and GBTFS, and Dozer seem angry at my postings?

Was this wrong of me to start this thread? The anniversery is comming up, and I just thought it relevent. Am sorry if I offended you guys.

Holly

I don't know how you are perceiving me as being angry at your postings. I am not. I reserve my anger for our enemies and incompetent govt officials.
My feelings mirror Richard's in post #10.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by Utah Bob

And this pic is relevant how?

It's a disaster thread, right? I see the relevance.

[Sigaba]

Originally Posted by Dozer523

What if a sound man had been there?

The sound of bodies landing can be heard clearly in 9/11 <<LINK>>, a film by two Frenchmen who were doing principal photography for a documentary on the FDNY.

MOO, the one of most poignant reminders of 9/11 is Art Spiegelman's cover to the 24 September 2001 issue of The New Yorker. When you hold that issue in your hand, you have to look very closely before you realize what you're seeing.

If my office floor was on fire, all exits blocked, staff in chaos, etc. I think I'd be looking for an open window, hoping to signal ground forces. If all options had been exhausted, a few calls made, (attempted), with final letter to family written quickly in shirt pocket.

Between dying from smoke and burning, I'd jump.

My death, my terms.

[akv]

That was a dark day for America, personally I too would concur with Richard's assessment.

[Dusty]

Originally Posted by akv

That was a dark day for America, personally I too would concur with Richard's assessment.

Duh.

[DinDinA-2]

Originally Posted by wet dog

If my office floor was on fire, all exits blocked, staff in chaos, etc. I think I'd be looking for an open window, hoping to signal ground forces. If all options had been exhausted, a few calls made, (attempted), with final letter to family written quickly in shirt pocket.

Between dying from smoke and burning, I'd jump.

My death, my terms.

I agree.

[Richard]

Originally Posted by PRB

Sometimes you have to put a face on it.

And sometimes not.

The Holocaust of WW2 was more than a pogrom in NAZI Germany against Jews and, as we have discovered through intensive studies and the on-going discovery of both official and personal documentation, far more complicated than it was originally thought to be.

Having studied it some, spending time in places like Dachau, Bergen-Belsen, Buchenwald, the NHM in Washington, DC, and Yad Vashim in Jerusalem, and being a docent for a few years at the Dallas Holocaust Museum under the likes of Dr. Zsuzsanna Ozsvath of UT-Dallas before it got to be too much for me personally, a 'face' for that Holocaust - IMO - is not a face, per se, but a pic of the lone remaining warehouse at Buchenwald with its nearly adult high piles of musty shoes, of eyeglasses, of woolen clothing, of hair, of empty suitcases - all taken from its victims (children, teens, adults, the old and infirm of so many nationalities labeled in 'newspeak-like' terms as 'undesirables') and to this day awaiting 'recycling' by its evil practicioners.

Standing in that dimly lit warehouse on a grey Sunday in December, monitoring the first all-German elections since 1932 in Weimar and Leipzig and being at Buchenwald because one of its 'educational' classrooms (there were two of them used for teaching the soldiers of the former DDR and USSR that the Holocaust came about because of 'Westerrn capitalism') was being used as a voting center, and contemplating how such heinous crimes could ever have been brought upon humanity, those representative piles of mankind and the unimaginable indignity to that humanity suffered by their owners became the 'face' of the Holocaust and its millions of victims for me.

I, too, like the Art Spiegelman cover posted by Sigaba. He also released 'In the Shadow of No Towers', a book relating his experience of the Twin Towers attack and the psychological after-effects. For those who don't know of him, Spiegelman was the son of Holocaust survivors and a well-known underground comics artist back in my teens. I made 'Maus' - his personal and familial expreiences with the Holocaust and its aftermath - mandatory reading in my History classes for high schoolers.

Richard

Originally Posted by Richard

those representative piles of mankind and the unimaginable indignity to that humanity suffered by their owners became the 'face' of the Holocaust and its millions of victims for me.

Richard

All - Many here at PS.com represent a broad cross section of the American culture.

Richard, for example, represents a generation that lived with or knew a parent, uncle, aunt or cousin that survived the Holocaust. For Utah Bob, it represents an era of soldiers in post Nazi Germany, re-construction, cold war, and developing governments, Europe. An ear in which 10th Grp was as busy in Europe as 5th Grp was in Vietnam. No battle ribbons adorned its Groups Colors for many years, but their mission was no less critical.

Followed by which many other QPs found themselves, in Vietnam, South America, and Africa, each area, episodes in the total war against the idealogies of communism and democracy. Vietnam begame the battle ground that in truth was being fought on may levels and in many places.

This new group of fighters recognizes what 9/11 means to this generation. It has defined them for the past 10 years, it will continue to define them for the next 50.
It has become the call to arms for so many 18xers, the commitment to lay it on the line. It has defined their motives and resolve. God bless them all.

Photos of the Holocaust, photos of victims of south american dictators, or photos of 9/11 all have a place in their own right. This thread, is as good as any for such action, and I assume I will return here often to read, learn and study the opinions of others.

Should we remember 9/11 every day? Personally, I'd like to forget, but I fear I can not and thus I will not. Since it came to our door, I must suport and defend those who are defending us.