Black Leaders Turn up the Heat on Obama - Page 2

**The Reaper** · 08-30-2011, 17:50

Sigaba:

IMHO, I am not sure that the resources needed to change the minds of a significant percentage of black voters would be proportionately worthwhile.

Black voters have tended to stay with the Democrats, despite the tradition of racism and opposition of civil rights in the party. The destruction of the black family unit, conversion of huge numbers of constituents to welfare drones, abandonment of traditional Christian values, union support (at the cost of black employment), creation of the dependent underclass, etc. have not caused significant numbers of blacks to abandon the Dims.

The money might be better spent for outreach to the independents and Reagan Democrats who might be more easily swayed. Bang for the buck.

Certainly the policy changes which would cause people to abandon the Democratic party for the Republicans would erode the Republican base as well. Do we really need or want two liberal parties?

I could see working on the Hispanic vote, which is less monolithic, has more in common politically, and is increasing numbers of voters at a rate greater than the black community.

What issues do you think would resonate with both diverse communities? Is the black vote a bridge too far for Republicans?

IRT the original post, the black community will support Obama in some majority, more or less, regardless. OTOH, adopting/pandering to a radical, racially driven agenda in order to respond to a few extremist critics could further erode his base of white and Hispanic voters beyond his ability to recover. Pressure from black leaders merely puts the issue out in front of everyone and attracts, to my mind, unhelpful comparisons.

TR

Guy · 08-30-2011, 17:59

Here's article that most missed: Chicago's black business leaders play a role in the POTUS rise Then track this graph....

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Guy · 08-30-2011, 18:08

The "black" vote by itself can't nor didn't put the POTUS into office; his commanding and/or leaning of the MSM (which by far are mostly Liberal-Democrats) is what got him elected.

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greenberetTFS · 08-30-2011, 18:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by PedOncoDoc

Don't forget the illegal alien vote! He;s actively trying not to lock them up.

Absolutely,that's a hugh amount of the data base and "O" knows it!.............

Big Teddy

Guy · 08-30-2011, 19:12

His an interesting site:

270towin.com is an interactive Electoral College map for 2012 and a history of Presidential elections in the United States. Since electoral votes are generally allocated on an "all or none" basis by state, the election of a U.S President is about winning the popular vote in enough states to achieve 270 electoral votes, a majority of the 538 that are available. It is not about getting the most overall popular votes, as we saw in the 2000 election, when the electoral vote winner (Bush) and the popular vote winner (Gore) were different.

Makes you wonder.....

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Sigaba · 08-30-2011, 19:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Sigaba:

IMHO, I am not sure that the resources needed to change the minds of black voters would be proportionately worthwhile.

Black voters have tended to stay with the Democrats, despite the tradition of racism and opposition of civil rights in the party. The destruction of the black family unit, conversion of huge numbers of constituents to welfare drones, abandonment of traditional Christian values, union support (at the cost of black employment), creation of the dependent underclass, etc. have not caused significant numbers of blacks to abandon the Dims.

The money might be better spent for outreach to the independents and Reagan Democrats who might be more easily swayed. Bang for the buck.

Certainly the policy changes which would cause people to abandon the Democratic party for the Republicans would erode the Republican base as well. Do we really need or want two liberal parties?

I could see working on the Hispanic vote, which is less monolithic, has more in common politically, and is increasing numbers of voters at a rate greater than the black community.

What issues do you think would resonate with both diverse communities? Is the black vote a bridge too far for Republicans?

TR

TR--

I think the GOP could make headway among Latino and African American voters by focusing on foreign relations, poverty, health, education, crime, and "family values." IMO, we need to articulate solutions that address these issues that are empowering, de-centralized, localized, privately funded, fiscally responsible, historically aware, and culturally empathetic.

As we develop these solutions, we could detoxify the rhetoric in any and all ways we see fit. (Some will call this transition "political correctness." Maybe cynics will label the change "political opportunism." Others will recognize it for what it is--civility.)

In terms of transforming the political landscape for the long term, I think goal should be changing the way we address the ever thorny and intertwined issues of "social justice" and race, especially in regards to African Americans. Like it or not, many citizens--not just blacks--use the African Americans experience as the baseline for evaluating the efficacy of America's political philosophy, political economy, and grand strategy. (Because blacks are over/under represented in X, then X is unfair.)

Thanks to Marcia Clark--idiot of idiots--we've picked up the bad habit of using the phrase "race card" to react to such evaluations. What would happen if we were to respond to such criticisms with sustained and intense intellectual vigor and social commitment? (Okay, in the past, blacks are over/under represented in X and in the present, here are a range of voluntary, affordable solutions all Americans can use to mitigate this disparity--if they have the initiative and motivation.)

Yes, such discussions would definitely be heated. Accusatory finger pointing is probably a permanent feature of American political culture. Yes, these conversations might lead to more questions than answers. ([Gerund deleted] historians and their endless hairsplitting!) The debate might not immediately change anyone's behavior--especially at the voting booth. However, I think that in the long term, the process itself would help to regenerate American political life.

Might this process alienate stalwart members of the American right and the left? Maybe. There's a lot of passion in politics. Many Americans believe that opportunity is a zero sum game. The political rhetoric and cultural sensibilities of the long nineteenth century echo to this day. But, IMO, somewhere down the line, this process is likely to happen. If it hits critical mass, the benefits for being in the vanguard of this movement will be much better than the consequences of being among the last to arrive.

My $0.02.

Sdiver · 08-30-2011, 19:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete

Locked up your base??????????

"...................African-Americans, if you have not locked up your base yet,...................."

Aaaaaaaaaaa - slavery - slavery - slavery - racist comment - racist comment. Oh, wait, a black guy said it. It's OK then

I don't think Barry needs to worry about his base .....

Him and Uncle Joe and Aunt Hillary have that locked up .....

tonyz · 08-30-2011, 20:11

It seems that Roland Martin knows President Obama and the voting community of which he speaks.

“...African-Americans will vote for him again, 88, 92, 95 percent...”
Roland S. Martin

Roland S. Martin is a nationally award-winning and multifaceted journalist.

A nationally syndicated columnist with Creators Syndicate, Mr. Martin is the author of Listening to the Spirit Within: 50 Perspectives on Faith, and Speak, Brother! A Black Man’s View of America, and “The First: President Barack Obama’s Road to the White House as originally reported by Roland S. Martin.”

Mr. Martin is a commentator for TV One Cable Network and host and managing editor of “Washington Watch with Roland Martin,” a one-hour Sunday morning news show.

He is also a CNN Analyst, appearing on a variety of the network’s shows. In October 2008, he joined the Tom Joyner Morning Show as senior analyst.

Named by Ebony Magazine in 2008, 2009 and 2010 as one of the 150 Most Influential African Americans in the United States, he is the 2009 winner of the NAACP Image Award for Best Interview for “In Conversation: The Michelle Obama Interview.”

He is the 2008 winner of the NAACP Image Award for Best Interview for “In Conversation: The Sen. Barack Obama Interview.”

In 2009, CNN was awarded the Peabody Award for its outstanding 2008 election coverage, of which Martin was a member of the Best Political Team on Television.

Martin, named one of the top 50 political pundits by the Daily Telegraph in the United Kingdom, was also awarded the 2008 President’s Award by the National Association of Black Journalists for his work in multiple media platforms.

In 2008, he was also inducted into the Texas A&M University Journalism Hall of Honor.

He has won more than 30 professional awards for journalistic excellence, including a regional Edward R. Murrow Award from the Radio Television News Directors; top reporting honors from the National Association of Black Journalists; the National Association of Minorities in Cable. and the National Associated Press-Managing Editors Conference.

An insightful and provocative analyst, Mr. Martin has appeared numerous times on a variety of American networks, as well as media outlets in Canada, Columbia, Italy, Australia and South Africa.

From October 2005 to October 2008, he served as a radio talk show for WVON-AM in Chicago, first as mid-day host and later as morning drive host.

He is the former executive editor/general manager of the Chicago Defender, the nation’s most historic Black newspaper.

He is the former founding news editor for Savoy Magazine under the team of New York-based Vanguarde Media, and the former founding editor of BlackAmericaWeb.com.

He previously served as owner/publisher of Dallas-Fort Worth Heritage, a Christian monthly newspaper.

He also has worked as managing editor of the Houston Defender and the Dallas Weekly, which he led to a number of local, state and national journalism awards. Mr.

Martin has worked as morning drive reporter for KRLD/1080 AM; news director and morning anchor at KKDA-AM in Dallas; city hall reporter for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram; and county government and neighbors reporter for the Austin American-Statesman.

He has also written pieces for Ebony and Essence magazines.

Mr. Martin is a life member of the National Association of Black Journalists, and a life member of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc..

He is a 1987 graduate of Jack Yates High School-Magnet School of Communications, and a 1991 graduate of Texas A&M University, where he earned a bachelor’s of science degree in journalism.

In May 2008, Martin received a master’s degree in Christian Communications from Louisiana Baptist University.

He has been awarded honorary degrees from Florida Memorial University, University of Maryland-University College and Lemoyne-Owen College.

He is married to the Rev. Jacquie Hood Martin, author of Fulfilled! The Art and Joy of Balanced Living. They reside in Washington, D.C.

http://rolandsmartin.com/?page_id=22

Guy · 08-30-2011, 20:23

Sigaba,

I'm going to put this in the most simplest way folks can understand!

As long as the MSM continue to celebrate and/or give accolades to thugs, gang-bangers, athletes, etc.

It don't matter!

Stay safe.

Dragbag036 · 08-30-2011, 20:34

I'm LMAO because, I know who I voted for, and it was not "The One". I also look in the mirror everyday and notice I'm American (with a tan). I know this topic will never end, but how many Caucasian Americans voted the other way just because of the color, or for that matter felt like the needed to vote Dem for the conscious? As I have said before, "Vote your conscious, not your color".

DB...I'm a 5 percenter

Guy · 08-30-2011, 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragbag036

I'm LMAO because, I know who I voted for, and it was not "The One". I also look in the mirror everyday and notice I'm American (with a tan). I know this topic will never end, but how many Caucasian Americans voted the other way just because of the color, or for that matter felt like the needed to vote Dem for the conscious? As I have said before, "Vote your conscious, not your color".

DB...I'm a 5 percenter

+75% of the "Jewish" vote went to the POTUS.

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