Female Special Operators Now in Combat

[alelks]

They have to qualify with their weapons also.

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[Irish_Army01]

Originally Posted by alelks

They have to qualify with their weapons also.

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nice one! LOL

[alright4u]

Originally Posted by wet dog

This from top to bottom is a Dog & Pony Show.

I do not disparage any person for wanting to serve or a woman who feels she can do more in a combat roll.

Perhaps an American female soldier will attampt to communicate with local women about women's concern for childcare, health, rape, enemy activities. Not the first time women played a direct roll in covert operation, (i.e, French Resistance, WWII, coldwar, etc.), but this little girl is barely big enough to carry the weapon accross her chest.

How is this roll different from CA operations currently being performed and has been successful for the last 20+ years?

Me wonders if the Gen is looking for the feminazi votes of Pelosi, Feinstein, and the uber left for a third star?

[PRB]

Did a little looking around on this.
We all know CST's have been around for awhile now so that's nothing new. Deploying them in this manner doesn't seem that diferent either but I'm not totally familiar with this specific program so you current guys clue me if I need it.
Females have been in CA/Psyops forever.
The 'new' part is the selection assessment and basic combat skills training.
That is always a good idea but I believe that CA/Psyops instituted that because they want to remain part of US SOCOM at the branch management level.
They were the only element of US SOCOM that did not have a 'gut check' assessment element built into their basic course and have been taking heat from SOCOM because of that.
Numerous SOCOM Cmdr's have broght this subject up at Army/DoD level conferences and they always hinged upon no selection weeding out process.
So I don't think CA/Psyops is looking to be 'operators' they just want to remain in the fold.

[PRB]

Originally Posted by NORMAL550GIRL

I knew there was a reason I liked you.

Alelks: Shut up -- if that were mine I'd Bedazzle it!!

Well, duh, always know how to attract the chica's with the hottest avatars...

[alelks]

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Originally Posted by PRB

The 'new' part is the selection assessment and basic combat skills training.....

.....So I don't think CA/Psyops is looking to be 'operators' they just want to remain in the fold.

I may have to agree with that bro, but who was the little girl who exited her vehicle, and returned fire? For doing so, she was awarded the Silver Star or it might have been the Bronze.

It was mentioned, as a reminder, that doing so is a Skill Level 1 task. Is this not taught in basic training? Army wide, how many units 'Do Not' conduct some level of MOUT training at the CO or Platoon level? More than we suspect, but being within the 18series friends and families, I think teaching these skills would be simple.

Without increasing unit budgets by much, adding MOUT or FM7-8 training to a Ft Bragg stationed CA/Psyops unit would not be difficult. Even a 12 man MTT could travel to several different locations, (each of the many SF Bns), and train tunit's PA/Psyops troops.

[MTN Medic]

Originally Posted by PRB

Not disagreeing with your comments. Only time will tell and the aar's. Folks that don't like a hot kitchen usually opt out anyways.

Thing is, people shouldn't be opting out because of something jammed down their throats by a liberal agenda that has ZERO to do with mission capability or readiness.

If 12% of combat arms are expected to leave the service over this, there has got to be something wrong with the surveys that these asshats put out. If 12% are leaving, how many are on the fence or just super pissed off?

I know of 1.

[PRB]

Originally Posted by MTN Medic

Thing is, people shouldn't be opting out because of something jammed down their throats by a liberal agenda that has ZERO to do with mission capability or readiness.

If 12% of combat arms are expected to leave the service over this, there has got to be something wrong with the surveys that these asshats put out. If 12% are leaving, how many are on the fence or just super pissed off?

I know of 1.

Not what I meant. I was talking about the CA/Psyops folks opting out for this kind of operation if it's a tad too hot for them.

[The Reaper]

Just cause your cat had kittens in the oven don't make 'em biscuits.

The CSTs/FETs are great for some missions, not so much for others, like combat FID and UW.

As noted, time will tell, unless a politician sees an opening here and jams it through regardless, like DADT.

TR

[PRB]

Originally Posted by The Reaper

Just cause your cat had kittens in the oven don't make 'em biscuits.

The CSTs/FETs are great for some missions, not so much for others, like combat FID and UW.

As noted, time will tell, unless a politician sees an opening here and jams it through regardless, like DADT.

TR

Actually I agree but don't blame the psyop/ca guys/gals trying...blame the decision maker that put them in the fid/uw environment. It'll work or it won't and it won't be dif to tell. I doubt it'll cont. if not successful.

[MtnGoat]

Originally Posted by PRB

Did a little looking around on this.
We all know CST's have been around for awhile now so that's nothing new. Deploying them in this manner doesn't seem that diferent either but I'm not totally familiar with this specific program so you current guys clue me if I need it.
Females have been in CA/Psyops forever.
The 'new' part is the selection assessment and basic combat skills training.
That is always a good idea but I believe that CA/Psyops instituted that because they want to remain part of US SOCOM at the branch management level.
They were the only element of US SOCOM that did not have a 'gut check' assessment element built into their basic course and have been taking heat from SOCOM because of that.
Numerous SOCOM Cmdr's have broght this subject up at Army/DoD level conferences and they always hinged upon no selection weeding out process.
So I don't think CA/Psyops is looking to be 'operators' they just want to remain in the fold.

PRB - Yes the have been around for a very long time. One thing SF guys don't fully know or understand IMHO is a lot of OTHER UNITS use females. Just like any soldier, it’s all about the training, all parts of the training. Many of these women (CST members) will walk off the job during the deployment due to living conditions. Ones that like it will stay around. I foresee main issue will be for SF or Combat Arms dealing with them. Mainly understanding the fact that is you jump in bed with one you will have to jump in bed with all of them. Hand grenade or not!! Just like operationally SF guys have to understand their Operational Environment or SA; you start working with that one.. say drug dealer; Others dealer will come a asking for the same treatment. When you don’t help them out, problems start coming!!

[Razor]

So the 11Bs, 31Bs and 89Ds supporting SF with local security, QRFs and EOD skills should be considered SOF as well now? Would this make HN terps "foreign" SOF?

[PRB]

Originally Posted by Razor

So the 11Bs, 31Bs and 89Ds supporting SF with local security, QRFs and EOD skills should be considered SOF as well now? Would this make HN terps "foreign" SOF?

Exactly! Just like all of the tier 2 guys are 'operators'.....

[98G]

Originally Posted by Richard

Active CSTs in A-stan - some of the comments accompanying the article are interesting. I hope it works out for us.

Richard

Female Special Operators Now in Combat
Mil.Com, 29 June 2011


http://www.military.com/news/article...in-combat.html

IMHO, it will no doubt work in some cases and not in others, just like 30 years ago when I was in PsyOp. We had a 60% drop out in the first months of training and another 15% by the end. From the graduates, maybe 30% were good at their jobs.

My observation is that we have men who can't shoot well and women who can't -- and ones of both gender who can. So use the women who can do the job and drop the rest. I was a 21 year old 5'5" 120 lbs SSGT but managed just fine and usually helped one of the guys and carried part of his gear as well -- so a small frame can be misleading. SF guys always managed to carry their own gear. God Bless SF.